clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 132

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 4:18pm

When did Rosario get so insane? Is this RENT's fault?

[best12bars]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 5:06pm

There is an extremist leftwing movement swelling that I find just as disturbing as the rightwing Teabaggers.

Is the Internet to blame (social media, disreputable blogs passing as legit news sources, etc.) for this extreme behavior in either direction?

People online LOVE to make their point in ALL CAPS with phrases like THE BEST EVER or THE WORST EVER. They do it here on BWW on the Main Board. It's laughable and rarely true that "Show X" is "the worst show I've ever seen in my life."

All I know is there are growing numbers of people moving to the outer edges of the political parties now. They are loud, rude, mean-spirited, childish, angry, and they love to wag their fingers at "moderates" in either party (as they call them) who are betraying the group's integrity as a whole.

I'm not sure where this is going or where it will end. I do know it's unsettling. And I'm speaking about both parties and both extreme views. Delusional, uncompromising, shortsighted (in their radical, visionary goals---oh, the irony), and anything but "progressive" in execution. 

Scary stuff.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 5:07pm

Lewinsky herself has been crawling out from under her rock recently as she does whenever Hillary is up for some office. Says she still feels degraded and such. Well girl, stop going in front of cameras every voting cycle and reminding us of your consensual trysts with Bill.

[binau]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 8:35pm

best12bars said: "There is an extremist leftwing movement swelling that I find just as disturbing as the rightwing Teabaggers.

Is the Internet to blame (social media, disreputable blogs passing as legit news sources, etc.) for this extreme behavior in either direction?

People online LOVE to make their point in ALL CAPS with phrases like THE BEST EVER or THE WORST EVER. They do it here on BWW on the Main Board. It's laughable and rarely true that "Show X" is "the worst show I've ever seen in my life."

All I know is there are growing numbers of people moving to the outer edges of the political parties now. They are loud, rude, mean-spirited, childish, angry, and they love to wag their fingers at "moderates" in either party (as they call them) who are betraying the group's integrity as a whole.

I'm not sure where this is going or where it will end. I do know it's unsettling. And I'm speaking about both parties and both extreme views. Delusional, uncompromising, shortsighted (in their radical, visionary goals---oh, the irony), and anything but "progressive" in execution. 

Scary stuff.

 

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I can't speak for the behaviour of many, and I'm not sure if you are specifically referring to Bernie Sanders' policies (I assume so given the context of this thread). If so, I personally don't see his policies as radical/visionary/extreme. I think part of the frustration is that he is advocating for rather common-sense principles that perhaps within a broken US political system might seem 'extreme', but compared to many other western (and non-western) countries the policies are standard fare. I don't think it's radical that many people expect universal healthcare, a liveable minimum wage, a political system influenced by the people rather than big money interests, paid parental/sick leave, lowered wealth inequality etc. 

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 9:13pm

As an aside...

Any sign of same-sex marriage equality in your Australian utopia?

 

[Kad]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 9:19pm

CarlosAlberto said: "Oh and this primary last week was soooo rigged. "

How?

[best12bars]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 9:48pm

qolbinau---I was talking about the extremists on either side, not Sanders himself or his policies. He didn't create this fire, he just propelled it. But so many of his followers are revealing a very ugly side of themselves, fueled by propaganda, half-truths, and outright lies. They are operating under this "mass hysteria" and anger that is quite frankly just as unsettling as the Tea Party movement.

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[binau]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 10:18pm

best12bars said: "qolbinau---I was talking about the extremists on either side, not Sanders himself or his policies. He didn't create this fire, he just propelled it. But so many of his followers are revealing a very ugly side of themselves, fueled by propaganda, half-truths, and outright lies. They are operating under this "mass hysteria" and anger that is quite frankly just as unsettling as the Tea Party movement.

 

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Ah ok I see, I understand.

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"As an aside...

Any sign of same-sex marriage equality in your Australian utopia?
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I have said at least twice in this thread that my country is not perfect. Even the policies that are implemented are not perfect and can sometimes have unintended consequences (or negative consequences that are accepted). A high minimum wage, public healthcare, accessible education, paid parental/sick leave etc. can have some negative consequences for businesses, for quality of services and therefore for individuals. However, they also can have a lot of benefits for individuals too, benefits that help avoid some of the issues many people face in the US.

The main reason I am involving myself in this political discussion is because as a human being I can see that there are issues that human beings are facing on the same planet that I live on, and I want to advocate for a position that I personally think can help. I am not doing it so I can sit here in my ivory tower enjoying a bit of schadenfreude. It's actually a lot easier and less time consuming to simply do that and ignore this thread. A thread that can become incredibly tedious because some people want to keep derailing the discussion into irrelevant personal qualities rather than actually discussing the issues.

And speaking of enjoying a bit of schadenfreude, that's exactly what the tone of your comment seems to be to me. If you want to involve yourself in a political discussion about the issues of my country (e.g., gay marriage), why don't you do exactly what I have been doing for weeks and weeks in this thread and advocate for some kind of political position or process that you think could help me influence overturning this law? In fact, I'd love you to do that because it's an awful thing about living in this country. Otherwise, to sit here and express some kind of satisfaction that we don't have gay marriage is a pretty sad thing to do. This law personally impacts my mental health, (I suspect) my relationships and reinforces a societal norm that LGBT relationships (and therefore, in my opinion, people) are some how second class. A very snarky comment indeed.



 

 

Updated On: 4/24/16 at 10:18 PM

[best12bars]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 10:43pm

I enjoy an outside perspective from someone who isn't personally invested in a particular party or movement or candidate.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 10:46pm

It read snarkier than I intended, which is maybe true of a lot of my posts. I'm sorry for that. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/24/16 at 10:53pm

It read just fine. Nothing to apologize for..

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 7:18am

Thanks qolbinau for bringing some sanity to this thread.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 7:56am

Facebook, that mirror of our darker selves, is ablaze with the Dawson Lewinsky business. Like the Sarandon comments -- including a nasty, misogynistic dig on the View ("I'd like a woman President who didn't get ahead because of her father or husband" - this of an accomplished Wellesley and Yale Law School grad) -- we now see some of the uglier sound bites about Clinton coming from women, the most disturbing aspect.  Of course, a male mansplaining such tactics is in of itself larded with irony. But many have balked, many deeply offended women, including those voting for Sanders.  The Lewinsky card is bound to surface in the general, and in a sense this may be an odd blessing: it reminds many people of Clinton's strength under extraordinary scrutiny, facing down a humiliating situation many spouses face of either gender.  

[adamgreer]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 8:12am

The Sanders campaign appears to be beginning to wind down, and they're now working on getting some of their ideas into the party's platform this summer. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 8:32am

 

Item No. 1: Stop dehumanizing Hillary Clinton.

 

[binau]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 8:45am

I suppose it's good he is supporting the wider Democratic Party, which I know he received criticism for on here. Is he dehumanising Hillary? That's a strong word. 

 

Just watched some recent Clinton interviews. If there is one thing she definitely has over Bernie it is her communication skills. It's pretty interesting Bernie has been able to inspire the people he has - he is far less polished. It'll be so interesting to watch her debate Trump.  

[Kad]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 10:18am

I think people respond to Bernie because of his lack of polish, which in tandem with his message makes him look more sincere.

[javero]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 1:24pm

Just got home from a trip to Phoenix.  Folks out there in Maricopa County are still pissed at Helen Purcell and other election officials for the abominable job they did scaling out the polling places.  An investigation by the Justice Dept is underway.  Thankfully, there wasn't much discussion about the White House horse race within the circles in which I traveled.

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 1:35pm

Can't recall the specifics, but I think Rachel Maddow mentioned that at least one of the primary states for tomorrow has also scaled back their number of available voting places.  Maybe Rhode Island?

[artscallion]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 2:07pm

It is Rhode Island (my state.) They cut them back by 66%.

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 2:13pm

Arts - what is the reported need for the voting cut?

[artscallion]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 2:25pm

brdlwyr said: "Arts - what is the reported need for the voting cut?"

They claim that it's simply because they can handle the volume using only 1 out of 3 polling places.  I'll let you know how that turns out.

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 2:46pm

Was it a Democrat or a Republican who made that decision?

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 2:51pm

It's a Dem state so I would assume a Dem decision.  It appears Independents can vote in RI, which is going to make the Clintonites look bad again if another Arizona happens.

[artscallion]

Posted: 4/25/16 at 3:00pm

The State Board of Elections made the decision. We are a Democratic state, in fact, we're known as the most reliably Democrat state in the country (even though we often, though not currently, have a Republican Governor.)

Rhode Island has a 'semi-closed' party primary system. This means that you may only vote in your party's primary, but if you are registered as "Unaffiliated" you may vote in the primary of any party you choose. Once you vote in a primary, however, you are considered a member of that party until and unless you "disaffiliate". You may do this by signing a "Change of Party Designation" form at the polling place after you vote or by submitting a new voter registration form at any time. The disaffiliation takes effect in 90 days. If you indicated a party preference when you registered to vote, you may only vote in that party's primary. If you wish to vote in another party's primary, you must disaffiliate at least 90 days before the primary date.

Updated On: 4/25/16 at 03:00 PM