clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 151

Don't mean to be flippant. But, nothing personal, it's politics.

That, friend, is why I'm a card-carrying Libertarian in the Democrat stronghold named Maryland. Nothing startling about this latest revelation one bit considering the context, Appalachia. This is not the first pox on that house. It's a variant of the Southern strategy that both major parties exploit at every turn.

Some in the GOP are worried that their party is marching headlong into a Goldwater-style beat-down. See In Trump, Conservatism’s Old Guard Sees a New Goldwater. Guess which states Ku Klux Klan-favorite Goldwater bagged? See 1964 Presidential Election results.

So, I write all this to suggest that with the stakes being as high as they are currently, it was unconscionable that Sanders would get his recently-adopted party's nomination. The party's old guard has always been willing to look past Hillary's Goldwater Girl-past but not an interloper's socialistic bent & propensity for class-warfare. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence by adding in closing that parties do indeed work that way.

Updated On: 7/23/16 at 08:48 AM

They're not wrong to suggest that an atheist isn't going to do well in the south.

adamgreer said: "They're not wrong to suggest that an atheist isn't going to do well in the south."



But that's not what they're doing. They're talking about "get someone to ask his belief", bringing it up themselves to undermine Bernie. That's VERY different.

javero said: "They spared us a vicious onslaught from the GOP machine had Sanders sealed the party nomination."

That may be true. But it's not their job to do that. They're supposed to remain impartial during the primary process so that we, the Democratic party, as a whole, can decide for ourselves who we want to save or ruin us.

artscallion said: "They're supposed to remain impartial during the primary process so that we, the Democratic party, as a whole, can decide for ourselves who we want to save or ruin us."

I agree w/ you in principle. However, the rise of the independents and open primaries mean that you Dems alone are no longer the only stakeholders in your nomination process. I personally think that Hillary dodged a bullet seeing how Trump and his fellow insurgents pulled off a coup on the other side.

Shifting lanes, I'm happy to learn that Tim Kaine's off and running I'm not the least bit surprised. Dude made major moves in VA when it was still a GOP stronghold. His deal-making skills are NOT to be underestimated.

The "establishment" didn't beat him.



VOTERS did. Three million more of 'em.

The emails continue to suggest that there is corruption going on in American politics. It was never a fair fight to begin with. Yes, Clinton got more votes but that is an outcome of many factors. We can see here that the DNC (and throughout the campaigns, the media) have tried to give an advantage to Clinton.

I would have never expected it to be as blatant and deliberate as these emails suggest.

Updated On: 7/23/16 at 08:15 PM

What is your point? Jeff Weaver's role is to forward one particular campaign over another. The DNC's role is not to achieve that goal (or shouldn't be). They are meant to be impartial.

If it were Clinton's campaign trying to out Bernie as an atheist, at least it would only be wrong on one level (exploiting a potential viewpoint that is actually the right one to have in society). For an official of the DNC to do it, it's wrong on multiple levels (corrupting impartiality AND exploiting a potential viewpoint that is actually the right one to have in society).

The DWS vs. Tim Canova race is going to get very interesting. Their primary's coming up on August 30th. He passed the $2M mark in fundraising a few weeks ago and seems to be gaining some kind of momentum (and some support from big labor) . Still, DWS is (was?) popular in her district and she's refused to debate Canova thus far. I think it remains to be seen if factors like her controversial role with the DNC, her support of TPP, her opposition to marijuana rights etc. will matter to voters in her district.



As the Miami New Times is reporting, Canova v. DWS has become something of proxy campaign for Sanders supporters. with Canova being one of the more prominent of the dozens of progressive candidates Sanders is supporting this election season.



My money's still on DWS winning her primary.

Updated On: 7/24/16 at 01:43 AM

I live in a town house development packed with voters within a few feet of one another. I reached out to the Canova campaign to canvass for them, nothing, no follow up. The other day two young kids were canvassing my neighborhood for DWS. I asked them why and they said they were being payed. For all the money he has amassed I've yet to see any of it spent or any semblance of a vigorous campaign except for mass e-mail. October 30 he gets two votes from the Mrs. and I, but it will be out of DWS hate, just like his fundraising.

The DNC is about as corrupt as figure skating judging in the '90s.

I've labeled Bernie an interloper more times than I can remember but do agree that the electoral system is rigged. Voters in the US deserve to get a good look at Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Darrell Castle and others nominated by their respective parties. As a Libertarian, I can attest to the difficulty of getting 3rd party candidates on the ballot. Ballot access laws are set at the state level and some of the states are still hostile to minor parties. It's frustrating sometimes being stuck between a rock and hard place having to hate-vote in some races versus voting my conscience. Nevertheless, politics is truly the art of compromise.

I continue to support Hillary for two reasons. First, I found her the most qualified candidate at the outset followed closely by John Kasich, Jeb Bush, and Gary Johnson. Second, this is not the season of poets. The world needs a sterner leader than Obama to beat back ISIS, contain Putin, negotiate with Netanyahu or his successor, and solve the Assad problem. Neither Trump nor Sanders ever made my short list in spite of what I believe to be Bernie's good heart.

Updated On: 7/24/16 at 12:08 PM

artscallion said: "It's not about this race, which is over. It's about future races and trust."

I agree and suggest that a younger more party-loyal version of Sanders will emerge and give the establishment hell soon. I'm not ageist but Hillary, Trump, and Bernie are all rather senior. In fact, on Friday, January 20, 2017, Trump or Hillary will be the 2nd oldest person to take the oath of office, trailing only Ronald Reagan. All eyes had better be on Nikki Haley long before 2020.