clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 74

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 4:42pm

A great read from Michelle Alexander in The Nation today.

? Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote

From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

Also, Ta-Neshi Coates endorsed Sanders today.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 5:22pm

Sort of.

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 6:44pm

head said " without any significant other, friends, or offspring. Time to let go and find the joy in life."

That is such a bourgeois attitude, that you must have a significant other and kids to have any joy in life. Thank God I don't have a significant other or kids. Almost every single one of my friends who does, is not happy. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 7:14pm

You're right!  The band is bourgoise!

[fflagg]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 9:41pm

Why am I not surprised that most of this thread is pro-Bernie? He's a loud, old windbag who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. If this election proves anything it's the number of gullible, undereducated, immature, and plain stupid people there are in this country; democrat and republican. And many under 25!  The previous millennials who think Bernie is a savior. He's an amiable old man who'll drop dead 6 months after getting elected. 

And how many Democrats will vote Republican if he gets the nomination? Trump will chew him up and I would enjoy that 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 10:01pm

He's a loud, old windbag who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

 

So it's like looking in a mirror?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 11:16pm

 

 

Here's the actual quote about Ta-Nehisi's non-endorsement:

 

Yet, Mr. Coates said he would not be helping to elect Mr. Sanders by making an appearances and that he would have preferred not to reveal that he planned to vote for him.

 

“I’m not going to make any calls. I’m not going to volunteer. I’m not doing anything,” Mr. Coates said. “I answered the question because I was asked the question. But, I just want to be clear. I reject the term supporter. I reject the term endorsement. I’m a voter.”

 

http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-hampshire-primary-2016-election/a-prominent-bernie-sanders-critic-ta-nehisi-coates-is-now-a-fan/

 

 

[javero]

Posted: 2/10/16 at 11:23pm

There's so much at stake in the Feb 20 Democratic caucus in NV.  Harry Reid is correct to hold his cards close to vest as it will likely ratchet up last minute registration.  He has his eye on down-ballot Senate races.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/has-harry-reid-endorsed-hillary-clinton-219016

 

ETA: Date corrected

Updated On: 2/11/16 at 11:23 PM

[madbrian]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 9:06am

I like Bernie.  He's a difficult person not to like.  However, he would not be able to deliver anything close to what he's promising out there on the campaign trail (free college, single payer healthcare, etc.).  And while no president ever delivers on everything, he has the real possibility of being an enormous disappointment, which could make him a one-term president.  As important as every election is, 2020 is the next census, and the next redistricting, and we cannot afford to have the GOP sweep state legislatures again like they did in 2010.

Of course, there are countless possibilities and outcomes, but the above concerns me.

[theaterdrew]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 9:48am

madbrian, that's exactly right.  I, too, like Sanders as a personality but he's setting himself up to as big a disappointment to his supporters as President Obama has been to many of his.  But the more important point is that in a democracy, you cannot lead a top-down "revolution."  You have to start at the bottom.  If Sanders supporters really want to change things in this country, they need to support candidates for governor, state legislators and even city mayors who will promote their policies.  Only when those policies become standard operating procedure in a majority of the country, and produce candidates who can win seats in Congress, will real change occur.  

Of course, the problem with that game plan is that it will take time and patience, and delaying gratification has never been the strength of the young.  Unfortunately, it is the strength of the political right.  The saying is the left falls in love while the right falls in line, and that has been the case in the right's discipline in electing local officials who then control the district gerrymandering.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 9:54am

Of course, the problem with that game plan is that it will take time and patience, and delaying gratification has never been the strength of the young.

 

Ah-ha. So you now consider "the young" anyone under 65? Because Sanders outright won every age bracket in NH except 65+

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 10:16am

The "ah-ha" from an admitted non-voter is like a dart being thrown at a pile of Jell-O.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 10:29am

 

Sanders outright won every age bracket in NH except 65+

 

Yeah. In New Hampshire.

 

[theaterdrew]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 10:32am

The young have the time to make it happen.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 10:36am

I'm not sure if this was posted here yet, but Triumph talking to young voters is my favorite thing of the week. 

 

http://youtu.be/j556MWGVVqI

 

[javero]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 10:41am

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article59299868.html

 

North Carolina’s redistricting fight heads to Supreme Court

 

I grew up down there and know the lay of the land.  This comes as no surprise and is a harbinger of things to come in other states after the census 2020 adjustment that madbrian alluded to.  According to Larry Sabato's crystal ball three states that are projected to pick up House seats in 2020 in Democrat-leaning swaths are TX, FL, and VA.  

 

ETA: What is most concerning right now to me is the prospect of Bloomberg entering the race simply to thwart Sanders effectively giving the White House to Ted Cruz or The Donald.

 

Updated On: 2/11/16 at 10:41 AM

[South Florida]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 10:26pm

Had class tonight, only caught the last ten minutes, Hillary is a damn good debater.

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 10:31pm

Is Bernie gonna stop waving his hand?  Doesn't he realize he will get the next turn?

 

[javero]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 11:14pm

"Hillary is a damn good debater."

 

I agree as long as she embraces her inner policy wonk.  That's who she is through and through.  No need to make her over.  

 

Sanders is a good debater as well but to me Hillary emerged as the candidate with the better foreign policy chops.  I'm so proud of her for defending Obama's foreign policy record as well as her recommendations in that context.  She was very convincing on how to deal with Iran whether or not one agrees with her stance.  I've never seen her flex her commander in chief muscles like that below.   Her Wall Street ties are still a thorny issue but on balance, that woman is presidential.  Thank goodness the issues were at the forefront instead of personalities or bravado.  The GOP could learn so much from what was on display in WI tonight. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 11:17pm

Thank you for the informative recap, javero.  I'm glad when you watch so I don't have to.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/11/16 at 11:31pm

 

"A vote in 2002 is not a plan to defeat ISIS in 2016."

 

Game, set, and match to Hillary Clinton.

 

And the nomination and election too, while we're at it.

 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 2/12/16 at 1:49am

Agreed, PJ.  That was a great line from Hillary.  Thought this was much stronger debate performance from her this time.  

 

 

MadBrian, your point about 2020 is very insightful.  It's also why all these down ticket races matter just as much as the presidential ones.  

Updated On: 2/12/16 at 01:49 AM

[madbrian]

Posted: 2/12/16 at 7:55am

Sanders is such a good candidate, which makes it all the more remarkable that he hasn't become better on foreign policy.  As good as he is, she made him seem small on that stage.  Her timing, dropping the Obama comparison immediately before his closing, was masterful.  Her closing was sensational.  That said, I'm not sure how many Sanders supporters will be swayed by this, but it has to help her with the undecideds.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/12/16 at 9:25am

LOL. Sanders supporters being swayed. LOL

[Shrek3]

Posted: 2/12/16 at 10:25am

Sanders is the only way to go.