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#51

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 1:23pm

sharilynj said: "I bought a pair of resale tickets for July 9 for $800 each, and am flipping the spare on Stubhub. The person I sit next to will have no idea that they paid for my entire trip, making it possible for me to see the OBC. I'm not at all sorry about it. Don't hate the playa, hate the game. (Bots are an entirely different story.)

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There's also the (probably slight) possibility that no one will buy that ticket until you drop the price last minute, if at all. Plus you won't be able to see Jonathan Groff, so not technically OBC.

#52

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 1:23pm

schubox said: "I don't think they're going to have an issue selling this block out. But do you think the resale market is going to be anywhere close to what it is now in March of 2017? There's no way."

Probably not, but anything could happen with this show. I never expected it to get anywhere near the point it is at today.

#53

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 1:52pm

BroadwayForever- I'm saying if both tickets are the same price/location not $850 (closer to $900 with surcharges) v $1250. I fully understand how it's illogical but it's a psychological mechanism. The scalper is not a "real" person and for all I know is using the money for his family but I can see if the producers buy a 20 million dollar house and it would agitate me more. I prefer to be anonymously screwed! Lol

#54

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 1:52pm

This is such a great topic for an investigative article. Do producers opt in for the Ticketmaster resale? Can they opt out? Are they paid for opting in? Are they paid a portion of the fees (which are huge, by the way)? Has the fan-to-fan sale platform increased ticket prices overall? I would love to know all the ins and outs of this. I don't understand why an article hasn't been done yet.

Updated On: 6/9/16 at 01:52 PM

#55

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 1:52pm

Dancingthrulife2 said: "There's also the (probably slight) possibility that no one will buy that ticket until you drop the price last minute, if at all. Plus you won't be able to see Jonathan Groff, so not technically OBC. "

i still think it's dumb af that he left 3 months earlier than he himself specifically said he would be. i'm seeing it on the 22nd and i'm very sad that i'll be seeing Rory and not Jon.

"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."

Updated On: 6/9/16 at 01:52 PM

#56

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 1:56pm

Being unfamiliar with all of the logistics that go into ticket sales, I have a genuine question. It's probably been asked and answered before so I apologize if that's the case.

How are certain artists whose tickets are sold through Ticketmaster such as Adele and Bruce Springsteen, if I remember correctly, allowed to prohibit resale for their concerts? I'm just wondering why it seems like some people can control the resell feature but the others can't?

*edit: I just realized someone above me asked a similar question about opting in or out of the resell feature. Sorry!

Updated On: 6/9/16 at 01:56 PM

#57

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 1:58pm

sharilynj said: "I bought a pair of resale tickets for July 9 for $800 each, and am flipping the spare on Stubhub. The person I sit next to will have no idea that they paid for my entire trip, making it possible for me to see the OBC. I'm not at all sorry about it. Don't hate the playa, hate the game. (Bots are an entirely different story.)

"

You're not the one selling a pair of row A for 35k, are you? I'm dying to know who even thought of that price! I get it's LMM's final show but it's not his final day on earth! Jeez!

#58

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 2:01pm

macnyc said: "This is such a great topic for an investigative article. Do producers opt in for the Ticketmaster resale? Can they opt out? Are they paid for opting in? Are they paid a portion of the fees (which are huge, by the way)? Has the fan-to-fan sale platform increased ticket prices overall? I would love to know all the ins and outs of this. I don't understand why an article hasn't been done yet.

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I think it's very telling that LMM fails to put TM in his open letter.

#59

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 2:24pm

^^^ Very true. I hadn't noticed that.

From the Ticketmaster FAQ:

Can I sell tickets for any event on Ticketmaster?
You can sell tickets for many events on Ticketmaster, and we're getting artists, teams, and venues to include 100% verified Fan-to-Fan resale tickets for more and more of their events all the time.

So it sounds to me as if SOMEONE involved with the production has to opt in.

This TM resale platform is such a game-changer, I'm surprised it was allowed to sneak into the ticket-buying system without much discussion or, as it turns out, oversight.

#60

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 2:38pm

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You're not the one selling a pair of row A for 35k, are you? I'm dying to know who even thought of that price! I get it's LMM's final show but it's not his final day on earth! Jeez!

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HA, no! $35k sure is bold. Good for them if they get it, but I can't imagine anyone being SO invested in this unless it turns out Obama is gonna be there or something. I'm selling a single, and my pricing is on the lower end of average. I'm more interested in recouping my costs quickly than getting rich and risk being stuck with it day-of.

#61

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 2:39pm

Hellob said: "sharilynj said: "I bought a pair of resale tickets for July 9 for $800 each, and am flipping the spare on Stubhub. The person I sit next to will have no idea that they paid for my entire trip, making it possible for me to see the OBC. I'm not at all sorry about it. Don't hate the playa, hate the game. (Bots are an entirely different story.)

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You're not the one selling a pair of row A for 35k, are you? I'm dying to know who even thought of that price! I get it's LMM's final show but it's not his final day on earth! Jeez!

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There's usually always some crazy high price like that for hugely in demand events. I doubt they think they have a chance at selling it for that, but if they do, holy ****. And if they don't they're probably hoping to drive the market up on other tickets so when they do drop the price down they'll still sell it for more than at whatever price they could have gotten originally

#62

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 2:56pm

^^^^ I'm sure it won't sell for that price but to even see it was shocking! That's an average annual income.

#63

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 4:35pm

I bought Adele tickets recently, and it's credit card entry so you can only enter with the card that made the purchase. If it was really about stopping the secondary sellers and not about the producers making money, wouldn't that be something to try? (I'm just glad I got to see it at the Public for $10 or I'd never be able to afford to go!).

#64

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 4:46pm

Canadian_Linz said: "I bought Adele tickets recently, and it's credit card entry so you can only enter with the card that made the purchase. If it was really about stopping the secondary sellers and not about the producers making money, wouldn't that be something to try?"

The only way this would be okay is if they agreed to refund/resell the tickets if the person could no longer make it. The price of a Broadway ticket is way too much to spend on something that you can't get your money back for should illness or other unexpected events happen. Especially with Hamilton tickets being sold so far in advance.

#65

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 5:48pm

And you have the nerve to complain about Seller increasing the lotto seats by over 100%. I'm thankful enough to have the opportunity to get one of the 21 tickets. The news that there will be 46 is incredible! 10,000 entrants for 21 seats: if you and a partner enter for every performance, that averages out to you winning the lotto once every two years (if you each enter for 2 tickets). 10,000 entrants for 46 makes that about winning once a year... not so bad, and surely better than you having no chance at all if Seller decided to sell those first two rows for $849 too. So yes, if you want to see Hamilton that badly be a little grateful that there are more lottery seats available at that price.

What are you talking about, chances are now winning lotto once every 2 years? You state it as if it is a given, winning. As if the lottery rotates by "turn" to people who haven't yet won!! Do you know math/averages/probability? Your odds - steep at that - remain the same every single time you enter! You can enter for years and years and assuming there are always 10,000 entries, be LIKELY to NEVER win! There's nothing cumulative about it. You get no credit for having played and lost before!

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#66

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 5:50pm

Above meant to be in reply to Mylife from first page of this thread.

#67

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 5:54pm

I do think ticket scalpers are awful, and personally I don't know why it's legal, but I also think it's ridiculous how Hamilton is raising it's prices so high. Of course, it's their show and they can do what they please, but don't have your star write an op-ed all about audience accessibility and then raise your ticket prices to such a high amount. Yeah, it's nice that they are adding an extra row to the lottery, but it's ridiculous of Seller to suggest that raising prices on tickets to such a huge amount is needed to subsidize one extra row of lottery tickets.

I love the show, but I do hate that it is playing its part in making Broadway a playground for the rich. If Lin and the producers wanted to Marshall their considerable platforms, they'd take on scalping as an industry or at least no longer offer the resale feature. But their choice to simply raise the tickets still means more people are getting shut out. It's disheartening.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

#68

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 6:28pm

I don't think it unreasonable or greedy for Sellers to want to keep the income generated by his show for those who directly own the show - where percentages are also paid to creatives and other participants. According to a NYTimes article (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/theater/hamilton-inc-the-path-to-a-billion-dollar-show.html?smid=pl-share), it is foreseeable as much as $60 million a year could go to scalpers. Regardless of the potential income amounts, if you're an owner or investor of a product, why should you not strive to keep the profits generated by your product internal?

Sellers' methods may be questioned and criticized, but I don't understand the evil, greedy, lecherous angles.

Updated On: 6/9/16 at 06:28 PM

#69

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 6:42pm

"Sellers' methods may be questioned and criticized,"

In light of your preceding statement, could you explain what aspect of his methods you find open to question or criticism?

#70

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 7:14pm

I still think he's dumb af that he left 3 months earlier than he himself specifically said he would be. i'm seeing it on the 22nd and i'm very sad that i'll be seeing Rory and not Jon.

Why is he dumb a(s) f(uck) for leaving to work on a project with the renowned and highly successful David Fincher? Sucks for you that you'll miss him, but I think he's got to put his own life and career first.

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#71

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 7:25pm

Here is NY Times article about how their readers reacted to the news

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/theater/would-you-pay-849-for-tickets-to-hamilton-readers-respond.html?smid=tw-nytimestheater&smtyp=cur&_r=0

#72

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 7:30pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Why is he dumb a(s) f(uck) for leaving to work on a project with the renowned and highly successful David Fincher? Sucks for you that you'll miss him, but I think he's got to put his own life and career first."

Obviously that's why I think it's dumb, because I'll miss him. Duh. also oops I meant that it's dumb, not he's dumb. good for him that he's gonna be in some movie or whatever

aaaaaa15 said: "The only way this would be okay is if they agreed to refund/resell the tickets if the person could no longer make it. The price of a Broadway ticket is way too much to spend on something that you can't get your money back for should illness or other unexpected events happen."

I also bought tickets to see Adele, 10 months in advance. They were each about $170 (although less than I paid to see Hamilton). Apparently ticketmaster doesn't care if I'll be sick when that show happens!

"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."

Updated On: 6/9/16 at 07:30 PM

#73

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 7:39pm

gypsy101 said: "I also bought tickets to see Adele, 10 months in advance. They were each about $170 (although less than I paid to see Hamilton). Apparently ticketmaster doesn't care if I'll be sick when that show happens!"

Yeah I'm not okay with that. That's actually one way the producers could get me to be mad at them haha.

#74

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 7:50pm

After Eight quoted Pauly3: ""Sellers' methods may be questioned and criticized,"

After Eight said:
In light of your preceding statement, could you explain what aspect of his methods you find open to question or criticism?"

Not sure why this requires explanation, but his upping the price of premium tickets in order to attempt cutting out scalpers vs possible alternative options of doing "something" else to mitigate the spoils the scalpers are receiving is what I'm referring to.

#75

ARE secondary ticket sellers evil leeches, as Hamilton producer believes?

Posted: 6/9/16 at 8:47pm

"his upping the price of premium tickets in order to attempt cutting out scalpers"

Previously you stated,

"Sellers' methods may be questioned and criticized, but I don't understand the evil, greedy, lecherous angles."

What I would like to know, then, is upping the price of the greater part of orchestra seats to $850 greedy, or not?

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