Cuomo Snubs Broadway- Page 3

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 11:49am

Broadway Flash said: "The only one that seems determined and untethered from realityis YOU. If it’s not safe to be in a theatre, it sure as hell ain’t safe to be in a museum with thousands of people coming through every day spreading the virus."

Nice try at deflection but untethered to the reality. Perhaps you have trouble reading the English language, because every word about museums has been about restrictive entry; no one is contemplating "thousands of people" or "spreading the virus." Let's start with what has been said and proceed with logic. Thanks for playing. 

[uncageg]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 11:51am

JennH said: "As there seem to be no other good place to post this...

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/28/cuomo-new-york-primary/?comments=1&fbclid=IwAR0m_azVw__kL_to0KGsfTs4ovB5bxJRKbV0J7e4C_1PyK4LMBIwdRVdM98#comments

Any want to take a crack at explaining any of this? Everything mentioned can be easily looked up. He's done all of this while no one was looking andstill applauding him. Why?"

 

This thread is about Broadway, not the elections. This could have been posted on the off topic boards.

Getting back on topic...I have been watching a lot of NHK World to see how Japan is handling all of this. They have been running interesting pieces on how they are handling events, concerts and theatre there. One good show I just caught this morning and will be shown 2 more times today is Today's Close-up:Cultural Crisis as Virus Kills Off Events. Check it out. If you don't have cable they stream their shows live on their NHK World website.

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 12:13pm

another good place to get a sense of next steps is Hong Kong. 

[itsjustmejonhotmailcom]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 12:45pm

Broadway Flash said: "Their main source of income is from events and galas which would presumably be cancelled, just like the Met Ball has been. It doesn’t make sense for them to keep a massive museum open just for a few people to trickle in throughout the day."

A quick look at the Met's 990's shows that isn't true - galas and events whether their own or outside parties renting their space - isn't a main source of income. The Costume Institute Gala, which I think you're referring to, raised $13M. Out of a $320M annual budget. 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 1:18pm

JennH said: "As there seem to be no other good place to post this...

Um, it's called the off topic board where currently two threads regarding politics and the election are active. 

[Broadway Flash]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 5:46pm

Restricting entry is not going to pay the cost of running.
Also, the 13 million is what they get from the met ball alone. They charge over 100,000 to have an event there. It’s a shame this happened on their 150th anniversary.

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 7:13pm

Broadway Flash said: "Restricting entry is not going to pay the cost of running.
Also, the 13 million is what they get from the met ball alone. They charge over 100,000 to have an event there. It’s a shame this happened on their 150th anniversary."

If the Met finds itself restricting the number of people that can come, or having people come in and sign up for a particular time frame etc they will be fine. Any money gained is obviously more than they had before. Also, they can afford to run it that way should they so choose.

Also, as far as Broadway goes, one possibility  I can see is if they decide to limit audience size due to social distancing, what is gonna stop producers for raising ticket prices to try to earn the same amount as always? And, Broadway flash, Great that you read what you can. It is, but it is important to figure out who is spouting bull**** and who's work is worthwhile to read in th first place. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 7:50pm

Broadway Flash said: "Restricting entry is not going to pay the cost of running."

I am quickly coming to the conclusion you are just pulling our legs. What does the above mean? Do you understand what the marginal cost of opening with restricted entry is? This is not rocket science. Unlike a Broadway show, which has to be performed nightly, a museum "runs" whether it is open or not. As rehearsed in previous posts, the only significant marginal cost is extra security and the ticket office (which could actually be eliminated in favor of 100% digital). Try processing and acknowledging what people here are taking the time to explain to you so there time has not been wasted and you don't end up being dismissed as the t word.

[OlBlueEyes]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 10:06pm

In Florida and Arkansas they allowed the horse racing to go on with no spectators. (Except for Triple Crown races and Saratoga, no one goes to the race tracks any more. They bet over the Internet.) Now Kentucky and California are going to allow their tracks to run races, since there was no negative fallout from Florida.

That is still, of course, a long way from people packed together in grandstands and theaters, but I think there's going to be a lot of testing the limits. Western Europe will provide input as well as they reopen. 

If there are no setbacks, pressure will build to reopen. A lot of people just need the money to pay mortgage, rent and taxes. Others who may not have that many summers left will not want to waste one confined to their homes.

If an increasing number of states reopen without incident, there will be great pressure on all the state governors to fall into line. Of course that's a big if.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 11:01pm

The thing is, they are already running into huge problems. Texas and Georgia's numbers have spiked due to their partial reopening. This will keep happening over and over again until they do something more drastic, unfortunately. 

[uncageg]

Posted: 5/2/20 at 11:38pm

There is now a commercial on tv here with a voice over by Lin Maneul Miranda calling this an Intermission and that Broadway will see us after intermission. I have seen it a few times in the past week. I think I saw it first during SNL last week.

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 5/3/20 at 1:01am

uncageg said: "There is now a commercial on tv here with a voice over by Lin Maneul Miranda calling this an Intermission and that Broadway will see us after intermission. I have seen it a few timesin the past week. I think I saw it first during SNL last week."

And what a second act it will be years down the road. At this rate, Miranda will still be composing as most of us decompose. 

[zainmax]

Posted: 5/3/20 at 1:31am

HogansHero said: "zainmax said: "I think that itll eventually recover but not anytime soon and youll probably see more people being cautious —which is a good thing"

I agree it will "recover" and that it will take time. I added the quotation marks because things will be different; there will be new rules and there will be new economics. What will it look like and when? No one knows, nor could they."

Well, what do you think?

[zainmax]

Posted: 5/3/20 at 1:31am

Jordan Levinson said: "uncageg said: "There is now a commercial on tv here with a voice over by Lin Maneul Miranda calling this an Intermission and that Broadway will see us after intermission. I have seen it a few timesin the past week. I think I saw it first during SNL last week."

And what a second act it will be years down the road. At this rate, Miranda will still be composing as most of us decompose."

Well put!! I think that itll take a long time to recover, if at all.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/3/20 at 9:08am

zainmax said: "Well, what do you think?"

I think the theatre recovery will be inextricably bound to, and lagging behind, the overall course of the virus, which is unknown. I think we have two questions, one being what survives which in turn depends on the second, the course of the virus. I think it is reasonable to assume that we will have a ubiquitous and effective vaccine at some point within the next year or two, at which point there will be a rebuilding process, but what institutions will be around at that stage? History (meaning in places like HK) teaches us a lot and not many of us seem aware as we prognosticate. I think two other things: 1. That we will see a short term evolution from voluntary fund-raisers to pay-per-view theatre (both commercial and not) and 2. That this pandemic will produce some of the greatest theatre we have come upon in a long long time.  

[itsjustmejonhotmailcom]

Posted: 5/3/20 at 1:57pm

zainmax said: "Jordan Levinson said: "uncageg said: "There is now a commercial on tv here with a voice over by Lin Maneul Miranda calling this an Intermission and that Broadway will see us after intermission. I have seen it a few timesin the past week. I think I saw it first during SNL last week."

And what a second act it will be years down the road. At this rate, Miranda will still be composing as most of us decompose."

Well put!! I think that itll take a long time to recover, if at all."

After the 1918 pandemic there was no vaccine and no effective treatment, yet people went back to sitting next to each other and theater recovered. I think we'll get through this, but the theatergoing experience will be forever changed. Just like it was post 9/11.

[itsjustmejonhotmailcom]

Posted: 5/3/20 at 2:02pm

Broadway Flash said: "Restricting entry is not going to pay the cost of running.
Also, the 13 million is what they get from the met ball alone. They charge over 100,000 to have an event there. It’s a shame this happened on their 150th anniversary."

Your opinion might be that the Met makes most of its money from galas and events, but the facts say otherwise. You can easily look it up online. Or do some back of the napkin math and see that even if they did one event a day that generated $100k, it still wouldn't cover 1/3 of their annual budget.

[Broadway Flash]

Posted: 5/3/20 at 10:20pm

They get donations, and money from the government. But in terms of actual money that's made, most of it comes from galas, and after that, out of staters paying 25 bucks to get in. Hogan, do you understand they have to pay the curators and the artists working on their exhibits? People constantly coming in and out of the museum to build them. This costs millions of dollars that they wouldn't have to pay if they were shut down. Limiting the amount of people to come in will not pay the bills and will ultimately be a huge loss for the government if they are to open up.

Updated On: 5/3/20 at 10:20 PM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 12:08am

Broadway Flash said: "Hogan, do you understand they have to pay the curators and the artists working on their exhibits? People constantly coming in and out of the museum tobuild them. This costsmillions of dollars that they wouldn'thave to pay if they were shut down. Limiting the amount of people to come in will not pay the bills and will ultimately be a huge loss for the government if they are to open up."

What I understand is that in the calculus of reopening on a restricted basis, they would not be installing new exhibits. I can't believe you would not understand that.

What I don't understand is "will ultimately be a huge loss for the government." What in heaven's name are you talking about?

[JayElle]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 2:06pm

Hogan'sHero wrote in part, "What I don't understand is "will ultimately be a huge loss for the government." What in heaven's name are you talking about?"

I presume it refers to taxes paid?

[JayElle]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 2:14pm

Ms. St. Martin clearly stated the League's position in the Deadline.Com interview:

“We just said that [at that point] we were exchanging and refunding tickets up to June 7. I mean, every couple of days our guesstimates go further out. As late as two weeks ago we were thinking that with any luck we might be up by July and that a worst case scenario might be September. Now the best guesses are that unless there’s serious testing and information that we don’t currently have, we’re probably looking at September or later.”

She also referenced ticket sales as a barometer.  So even if the Gov authorized theater opening tomorrow, doesn't mean the industry would remove the padlocks the day. The time she spends sitting on a committee, it's time wasting doing something more productive. I venture she and the industry "powers that be" communicate with the Govenor's office or reps.

https://deadline.com/2020/04/reopening-broadway-charlotte-st-martin-broadway-league-candid-conversation-1202910054/

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 2:21pm

JayElle said: "Hogan'sHero wrote in part, "What I don't understand is "will ultimately be a huge loss for the government." What in heaven's name are you talking about?"

I presume it refers to taxes paid?"

well that would be problematic since the Met is a non-profit institution...

[JayElle]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 2:35pm

The Met may be non-profit, but don't they tax the tickets, merchandise, food, drinks, salaries, etc.?  The government does get $ from the theater industries, so I presumed he referenced taxes though not specifically stated.

[itsjustmejonhotmailcom]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 2:45pm

Broadway Flash said: "They get donations, and money from the government. But in terms of actual money that's made, most of it comes from galas, and after that, out of staterspaying 25 bucks to get in. Hogan, do you understand they have to pay the curators and the artists working on their exhibits? People constantly coming in and out of the museum tobuild them. This costsmillions of dollars that they wouldn'thave to pay if they were shut down. Limiting the amount of people to come in will not pay the bills and will ultimately be a huge loss for the government if they are to open up."

In 2019 the Met took in $249M from grants and contributions, $249M from investment income and $38M from other revenue, of which events and galas are a part. So in terms of actual money that's made, only a small fraction comes from galas.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 5/4/20 at 4:35pm

Cuomo 's plan to reopen seems like it was drawn up by someone not playing with a full deck. It sounds like a Rube Goldberg contraption. It is so convoluted I defy anyone to make sense of it. The part.you really will not like is how it will play out relating to Broadway. You will not like it.

The reopening is built up in 4 sections. #3 Restaurants and Hotels .Last group #4 Arts and Entertainment. Broadway just got a huge middle finger. It aint opening anytime soon.He also ripped large gatherings,. Broadway Concerts and Sporting events.

Thoughts
 

Updated On: 5/4/20 at 04:35 PM