Elton John Completes the EGOT with Emmy Win

[TaffyDavenport]

Posted: 1/15/24 at 9:57pm

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/elton-john-egot-2023-emmys-1235788353/

Updated On: 1/15/24 at 09:57 PM

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/24 at 10:01pm

Congratulations to “Sir” Elton.

Update: I appreciate you ditching the headline that used the ridiculous “sir” title. Congratulations, Elton.

Updated On: 1/15/24 at 10:01 PM

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 1/15/24 at 10:05pm

Legend. 

[emlo99]

Posted: 1/15/24 at 10:52pm

Well deserved.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 1/15/24 at 11:11pm

Happy for you, SIR Elton John!

[uncageg]

Posted: 1/15/24 at 11:19pm

Congrats to SIR Elton John. Yes, he is a legend. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/24 at 11:30pm

Heavy sigh.

[jkcohen626]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 1:52am

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Heavy sigh."

I'm confused, is this some sort of anti-monarchist/British issue or do you think it's part of a stage name or something?

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 2:30am

It's the former, and it's his/her schtick. A few months ago he or she dug up a nearly ten-year-old thread about Angela Lansbury getting a damehood to say how terrible it was that she had accepted such a thing when the British empire was evil and imperialist and colonialist and just plain bad. Railing about titles and colonialism is a recurring theme for their lectures.

https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.php?thread=1067933&page=2

[jimmycurry01]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 8:06am

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Heavy sigh."

I am also curious what issue you have with someone being knighted. Is it an honor that you feel was undeserved? Do you feel that all artists are undeserving of one of Britain's highest honors? Are the arts not worth knighting someone? Do you have a problem with all honorary titles, or just Sir and Dame? Are you OK with academic honorary titles? I just have so many questions about the distain you are showing over this.

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 9:02am

Honestly, I did not mean to hijack this celebratory thread with my “schtick”... my comment was just an aside aimed at the headline originally cited.

However, since you ask, my problem is only with the title and problematic legacy of this “honor”. Knight of the British Empire. Who would want such a title, much less consider it an honor? Why on earth would Americans demean themselves by bowing down to such silliness?

The great British Jamaican poet Benjamin Zephaniah, who died last month, said “ I get angry when I heard that word, EMPIRE, it reminds me of slavery, it reminds me of thousands of years of brutality, it reminds me of how my foremothers were raped, and how my forefathers were brutalised”... suffice to say he refused his OBE.

Since the recent coronation obscenity. There has been more awareness, leading to people such as Tony-winner Alan Cumming returning their decorations. Which is why I felt it reasonable to revive the aforementioned Angela Lansbury thread. Perspectives can change with time.

Anyway, back to Elton, of course I feel that artists deserve recognition. I have no problem with that. I’m happy for his EGOT win, and as unimportant as these things are, they are still more impressive than imperialist  royal titles.

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 12:48pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Honestly, I did not mean to hijack this celebratory thread with my “schtick”... my comment was just an aside aimed at the headline originally cited.

However, since you ask, my problem is only with the title and problematic legacy of this “honor”. Knight of the British Empire. Who would want such a title, much less consider it an honor? Why on earth would Americans demean themselves by bowing down to such silliness?

The great British Jamaican poet Benjamin Zephaniah, who died last month, said “ I get angry when I heard that word, EMPIRE, it reminds me of slavery, it reminds me of thousands of years of brutality, it reminds me of how my foremothers were raped, and how my forefathers were brutalised”... suffice to say he refused his OBE.

Since the recent coronation obscenity. There has been more awareness, leading to people such as Tony-winner Alan Cumming returning their decorations. Which is why I felt it reasonable to revive the aforementioned Angela Lansbury thread. Perspectives can change with time.

Anyway, back to Elton, of course I feel that artists deserve recognition. I have no problem with that. I’m happy for his EGOT win, and as unimportant as these things are, they are still more impressive than imperialist royal titles."

Generally speaking, there’s a fair amount about the Royals that the people of England love and care about that Americans just flat don’t get. By way of playing devils advocate, is there a chance that your viewpoint be related to that mindset? I can only speak for myself, but, there are aspects of the Royals in England that people love and feel strongly about that leave me scratching my head and wondering why. For example, I never understood the appeal/desire of the English public waiting in line to say goodbye to the Queen as she lied in state. But, just because I couldn’t understand the appeal. Yet, seeing those extremely long lines on TV made me think that there’s more to it than I was able to understand. 

[OhHiii]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 1:00pm

Jay's mindset is terminally online culture warrior. And I say that as someone who is as liberal as it gets. Best not to feed into it because it's not rational.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 1:21pm

Carry on, holding your nose as you step over me. Sorry to disturb you, m’lord.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 1:29pm

True to form, the resident troll/bully turns the discussion away from SIR Elton John so that it focuses almost entirely on him and his nonsense.  Typical for those who thrive on attention.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 3:50pm

Just who exactly am I trolling and bullying?

Does Charles III read these boards?

Is “Highland Guy” a reference to your residence at Balmoral? Please give Camilla my regards.

[joevitus]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 5:05pm

Weird that Jay made a couple of short posts, several people responded with very long hostile posts, but somehow he's the one highjacking the thread. You could just ignore him if you want. Lots of people are hostile to the monarchy these days, by which I don't mean one should be (I don't really care, either way). But I feel like other people made this all about Jay much more than Jay himself did. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 5:32pm

Thanks, joevitus. They’re unfairly carrying baggage from other threads over onto this one.

Also, feels odd to be berated for thriving on attention in a thread celebrating Elton John.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 8:32pm

Highland Guy said: "True to form, the resident troll/bully turns the discussion away from SIR Elton John so that it focuses almost entirely on him and his nonsense. Typical for those who thrive on attention."

Anyone could have ignored him if they really wanted to. 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 8:38pm

joevitus said: "Weird that Jay made a couple of short posts, several people responded with very long hostile posts, but somehow he's the one highjacking the thread. You could just ignore him if you want."

Exactly. Jay's approach may be slightly truculent for my taste, but the response is always way out of proportion. To paraphrase a great playwright, he's much more sinned against than sinning.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 8:55pm

Thank you. I didn’t start out truculent. This is what happens when a person endured such visceral hatred over a period of time.

[spicemonkey]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 8:56pm

I’m with you Jay 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 9:02pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Thank you. I didn’t start out truculent. This is what happens when a person endured such visceral hatred over a period of time."

That may not be the perfect adjective, but I just meant that I generally avoid the stress of online confrontation and you don't seem to be afraid of it. For the most part I say good for you.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 9:05pm

Also, just to acknowledge the original post: I can think of very few people who are as worthy of an EGOT as Elton John. Every award was well-earned. What took him so long? :)

[Age_of_Mendacity]

Posted: 1/16/24 at 10:37pm

kdogg36 said: "Also, just to acknowledge the original post: I can think of very few people who are as worthy of an EGOT as Elton John. Every award was well-earned. What took him so long? :)"

Hear, hear! At least John and the recently crowned (sorry for bringing a monarchy back into this) Viola Davis earned their EGOTs for actual creative work rather than relying on a producer-only award to complete their haul.