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[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 8:42am

The music is beyond the scope of the topic because you're talking about what's proper for a child to sing, which is about the substance of the material of the song, not the form and musical aesthetic of the song. For your sake, since you're stuck on it, let's pretend it's widely accepted that the music is "hideous". We still have the second issue of what's improper subject-matter for children to present to people with "delicate sensibilities." What I am confused about is if you take out the idea that "Ring of Keys" has sexual undertones, which is what many thought you were getting at with your initial post(s), then what I don't get is what is it about the song that is so offensive to those with "delicate sensibilities". That's a key piece of what I am missing with your conclusions about the song being "improper".

And no, without the sexual reading of the song, your former posts do not explain what is so offensive or improper about it. You just make a conclusory statement without explaining why it is offensive or improper for a child to sing that song.

Of course, unless you meant that it was improper for a child to sing a song set to "hideous music" that is "sick" and "whining", but I doubt you would think that it was only improper for a child and not improper for all people. Also, your other posts clearly separate the music from the topic of what is proper and improper for "children to present to an audience."

Updated On: 5/2/15 at 08:42 AM

[After Eight]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 8:59am

I excluded the sexual component from recent posts precisely because people have asserted that there is none. And I say, ok, even if that is the case, it is still unpalatable for this child to be singing about what she is singing to the music she is singing and the manner in which she is singing it.

And yes, I don't want to hear an adult sing sickly and hideous music either, but adult voices are usually not of the whining variety.

[icecreambenjamin]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 9:37am

Ring of Keys is about realizing who you want to be.  It's that moment when you see someone and you think "Wow, I understand that person on such a deep level."  There's a strange feeling of comfort and recognition to know that your not alone.  It's not sexual at all and I'm sorry that A8 finds the music "hideous", apparently. 

I'm sorry that you didn't like the show, but how come you only talk about the shows you didn't like?  I'd like to hear about the shows that you DO like.

[After Eight]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 10:22am

"how come you only talk about the shows you didn't like? "

I'm only talking about this show because of people's questions (and aspersions). Believe me, if there is a show I'd love to forget, it's this one.

"I'd like to hear about the shows that you DO like."

Unfortunately, they're not writing many shows on the order of The Sound of Music or Mary, Mary nowadays. Maybe if I'm in a nostalgic mood one day, I'll reminisce about shows like that.

Although, come to think of it, when I did reflect happily upon one of those shows, it was met here with scorn and foul language. So perhaps it's best to keep those cherished remembrances to myself.

Updated On: 5/2/15 at 10:22 AM

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 10:49am

""If I'd know that that was something I could be, then I wouldn't have gone through so much turmoil finding it out and feeling guilty because people like you, After Eight, told me it wasn't something that I should be feeling. "
Okay, now that you've got that off your chest, get off your high horse as well, and mind your manners. I would also highly recommend not using ugly smears to discredit people. It's not very nice, and not very "proper."
I don't tell anyone what they should be feeling, or what is proper to feel. That includes you, and the character in this show. I'm talking about what is seemly to present on stage, and the manner in which it is presented. And it has nothing to do with sexuality either. If a little boy started whining a rapt paean to hideous music to a soldier and his  combat boots and camouflage fatigues, not as a source of sexual attraction, but as an image of who he is and who he wants to be, it would be equally offputting.
It seems that the one who is dictating to others what is "proper" to feel about this show is you.
Don't dictate.
 "

 SAYS THE POSTER WHO JAMS HIS IDIOT HEAD INTO EVERY SINGLE THREAD AND SH*TS ALL OVER EVERYONE ELSE CONSTANTLY

[weaselprince71]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 10:52am

A8: Just as a thought experiment, I'm honestly curious whether your response might be more positive if this libretto had been set to a new and beautiful score by a resurrected Richard Rodgers, instead of the music that Ms. Tesori has given us (or foisted on us, if you prefer).  Same book, more or less the same lyrics (altered as needed to fit classic golden-era song structures), altogether different music.  Even hypothetically, it's pretty impossible to imagine, on any number of counts; but in theory, it might at least improve "the music she is singing and the manner in which she is singing it," by your standards.

But I'm not clear whether even that radical "what-if" scenario would necessarily make "what she's singing about" any less "unpalatable" to you.  Would it?

What is it that she's singing about, do you think?  You say you "excluded the sexual component because people have asserted there is none," but do you agree that there is none?

How would you describe the subject of "Ring of Keys" to someone who'd never heard it?  "This little girl comes onstage and whines to horrible music for three minutes about..." what, exactly?

Updated On: 5/2/15 at 10:52 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 10:52am

"Sickly" and "hideous".  You have serious problems.  

Believe me, if there is a show I'd love to forget, it's this one.

That is demonstrably not true.  Your inability to do just that spotlights the mental issue that has made this show SUCH AN ISSUE FOR YOU.  It's hard to know if the source is good old Rex Reedian misogyny and lesbophobia or more Bruce Kimmelian chimera nostalgia.

[indytallguy]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 10:57am

"It's hard to know if the source is good old Rex Reedian misogyny and lesbophobia or more Bruce Kimmelian chimera nostalgia."

 

This will be one of my favorite comebacks for a very long time. Kudos.

[After Eight]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 11:05am

Wp,

Sorry, not interested in being the object a "thought experiment."

[jv92]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 11:21am

There's no arguing-- be it civilized or uncivilized-- with this creature. He is a self-indulgent, pompous piece of sh*t who hijacks every thread about something he doesn't like into a carnival carousel that goes round in circles, always circling back to his own pompous, stubborn opinion of how wonderful life and theater was like when Dwight Eisenhower was president and mommy was in the kitchen and pop was off to the plant as if it were a fact, and how vile anything that doesn't look at life through conservative and delusional rose-tinted glasses is. 

So guys, you're losing a battle that isn't worth fighting. After Death can never admit defeat, just like Karl Rove. 

 

 

[AKarp2013]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 11:48am

^^
It's like beating a dead horse that doesn't know it's dead.

[Kad]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 11:54am

After all, this is the person who said:

"If a child is going to sing in a musical, let it be about about tea with jam and bread or a cuckoo in a clock."

And said this song was:

"...one if [sic] the most stomach-churning moments I've ever experienced in the theatre. Listening to it was like being force-fed curdled milk. "

Updated On: 5/2/15 at 11:54 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 12:04pm

"So guys, you're losing a battle that isn't worth fighting."

I don't feel as if I am arguing or fighting.  I see the writings of a poor creature who has something wrong mentally.  Something seriously wrong.  Every post is a cry for help.  

[icecreambenjamin]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 12:16pm

A8

You obviously don't like musical theatre, so why are you here.  Go see the revivals of every Hammerstein musical and make yourself happy, but please don't sh*t all over every new show that comes out.  Theatre is changing and while the classics should always be held close to our hearts, there are new and innovative musicals out there that are beautiful too.

You obviously have some sort of mental disorder that causes you to be so bitter.  I'm sorry about that, but please don't troll this board anymore.  I blocked you and I would appreciate it if everyone else did too so that you can stop hijacking every thread.

[After Eight]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 12:31pm

 Ice cream,

 

Thank you for your kind words and sentiments.

One thing that I fail to understand (and this applies to others here as well), if you have blocked me, how is that you read my posts? And why are you communicating with me now?

[Hest882]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 12:59pm

I'm ignoring the A8 back and forth.

However, I will say, like Someone in the Tree, I also don't find "Ring of Keys" appealing to me melodically thought I admire the lyrics. (I keep trying, I swear!) Lately I've been listening to "Maps" and especially "Telephone Wire" much more. I think Telephone Wire is actually the one that moves me the most purely musically. "Day and Days" I listen to but depending on my mood I sometimes find it wonderful and sometimes a bit too much of a muchness.

 

[AKarp2013]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 2:08pm

^^
Da hell...?

[icecreambenjamin]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 2:11pm

They're multiplying. 

 

Good God

They're everywhere.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 2:15pm

"Your swagger and your bearing..."

Updated On: 5/2/15 at 02:15 PM

[Someone in a Tree2]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 2:16pm

^ The new AfterEight (no space) just joined today.

Someone's figured out how to game the system. This should be fun.

[Musical Master]

Posted: 5/2/15 at 10:02pm

Another A8??? Oh.....Oh no......

It's an invasion!

Updated On: 5/2/15 at 10:02 PM

[Showface]

Posted: 5/3/15 at 12:18pm

And even better, A8 2.0 seems much more civil when stating opinions!

 

Updated On: 5/3/15 at 12:18 PM

[Musical Master]

Posted: 5/3/15 at 12:28pm

That's true.

[South Florida]

Posted: 5/3/15 at 5:33pm

The Bechdel parents are 12-20 years younger than Cerveris and Kuhn.  This could be done by a much younger crowd.

 

[team elphie]

Posted: 5/4/15 at 1:15am

I guess I'm the only one, but I completely agree with  A8