Hamilton is Not a TV Movie!

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 3:22pm

I am so annoyed with Hamilton weaseling its way into every imaginable award.  Really Emmys?  Limited Series or TV Movie?  That's a stretch seeing as it's neither of those things.  LMM et al need to stop forcing Hamilton down our throats.

And while we're at it...re: Ben Platt's sophomore album.  How much longer must we be subjected to this daddy's boy playing at a performance career?  GOD.

And before anyone says it, yes I know this is a Wendy's.  I'll take a medium frosty as well, thank you.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 3:23pm

Neat

[smidge]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 3:44pm

Lighten up Francis

[ClumsyDude15]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:05pm

You seem like such a treat. 

[dramamama611]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:06pm

Well, obviously, the Emmy Committee disagrees with you.

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:13pm

I think it's less that the Emmy Committee disagrees and more that they just agree to heavily funded category fraud.  Happens in every award.  Sigh. 

ClumsyDude15, I am a treat!  Thanks for noticing. :) 

[blaxx]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:14pm

Well, it is now - SURPRISE!

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:15pm

[Phantom4ever]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:17pm

This is not a Wendy's.  This is a message board on the internet. 

[JBroadway]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:22pm

It's not nominated as a TV movie, it's nominated as a Variety Special. 

I agree it's a little weird, but as I said in the other thread on this topic: the Emmys, by their very nature, are designed to celebrate a much broader scope of media. Lots of different kinds of things are eligible for the Emmys, because it doesn't really matter what kind of art it is, as long as it's distributed via TV/streaming. SNL is performed live in front of an audience just like Hamilton is, and no one complains that it's eligible for the Emmys. It meets their requirements for eligibility. 

The Golden Globes were wrong to consider it eligible as a film, but it's not the Emmys fault that the Golden Globes made a bad call. 

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:24pm

JBroadway, true. It makes sense for the show to be nominated as a Variety Special but all the acting nominations are ridiculous.  And those are under "Actor in a Limited Series or TV Movie."  Give me a break. 

Updated On: 7/13/21 at 04:24 PM

[VintageSnarker]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:33pm

The Emmy nominations are so chaotic this year, I can't bring myself to care. The categories are all over the place and there are so many nominations for the same shows probably due to the lack of competition. The Tonys are still more of a mess though.

[schubox]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:37pm

Who cares? Entertainment awards are complete bull**** anyway

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:38pm

No worries, Kip! It won't win and neither will either man. Lin phoned it in and Leslie played it like a terrible cartoon villian. The fact that these men were electric every time I saw it with them live just makes the captured performance sadder. And the supporting noms? Have you seen the competition? 

Their competition blows them out of the water but I appreciate your thoughts. Great Emmy noms this year especially for Pose, Ted Lasso, I May Destroy You and Lovecraft County!

Updated On: 7/13/21 at 04:38 PM

[JBroadway]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 4:38pm

It seems like the Emmys have already been pretty loose about those specific acting categories in recent years. From what I gather, they could effectively be calling it "Actor in a Limited Series, TV Movie, or Variety Special," but they just haven't bothered to alter the name of the category. Maybe because it's too wordy. 

Here is an article about it (linked by @Anakela in the other thread) with a quote from an Emmy Spokesperson: 

“Performers playing a role in a musical that has been categorized as a variety special (live or pre-recorded) enter the performer categories for limited series, anthology or movie, and have for at least the past decade. So, for example, performers in the many live musicals aired in the recent past all entered the performer categories for limited series, anthology or movie. Likewise, performers in pre-recorded musicals would enter the performer categories for limited series, anthology or movie. The rule regarding principal host, et al. you cite applies to talent appearing as themselves, primarily stand up comics, etc.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/emmys-ongoing-dispute-about-whether-or-not-hamilton-performers-are-eligible-for-acting-noms-1234966958/

 I can't say I'm a huge fan of this turn of events either. But it makes sense to me based on the way the awards are structured. 

Updated On: 7/13/21 at 04:38 PM

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 5:07pm

Anyone can submit themselves for anything they want, but it's absurd that with such a huge range of projects and performances they could've nominated thanks to shows ending and pandemic delays pushing off the usual suspects, that almost half the acting nominations were taken by a filmed live performance. It diminishes the work of those who crafted a performance especially for the screen by ignoring them in favor of three of filming something the same actors had been doing eight times a week for years.

[Alex Kulak2]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 5:19pm

I might have to side with Kip on this one. If Bo Burnham's Inside loses to Hamilton, I might become the Joker.

[jpbran]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 6:12pm

Yikes… 

 

This isn’t totally unprecedented. Haven’t other filmed productions (PBS’ American Playhouse, etc.) done the same thing? I know Robert Morse won an acting Emmy for the filmed “Tru” stage play. Are there others?

 

Also, I think Platt has done pretty well with his “solo” career. His first album had a higher gem/clunker ratio than most modern pop albums (I quite enjoy most of the songs), and he seems to be learning how to reign in the “yodel”/vibrato thing he does. I also like his new single “Imagine”, especially the Tiesto remix version. 

[jacobsnchz14]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 6:27pm

If Emma Thompson can be nominated for playing Lovett when they filmed Sweeney for PBS, then anyone in Hamilton should be able to be nominated.

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 6:36pm

According to IMDb, Robert Morse won in a category "Miniseries or Special."  That's  a very small difference, but to me a "special" is more akin to what Hamilton was and not a movie.  Emma Thompson's category unfortunately was Limited Series or Movie.  So I would have to disagree with that as well.

I'm all for people being recognized for their work, but it is unfair to put these actors - be they Linn, Leslie, Emma - in the same categories as McGregor, Hahn, Peters.  When they do screen work, by all means bring them on!  This is not a comment on their abilities as actors, merely on the genre of their performance.  

Perhaps instead of forcing people into categories, the Emmys can alter their categories to fit the pool of nominees.  

[DaveyG]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 6:41pm

jacobsnchz14 said: "If Emma Thompson can be nominated for playing Lovett when they filmed Sweeney for PBS, then anyone in Hamilton should be able to be nominated."

I disagree. Emma Thompson in Sweeney Todd was a Live at Lincoln Center TV program. It took place on a stage, yes. But it was designed to be a television broadcast and only did a handful of performances. 

Hamilton was an open run, 8 show a week Broadway musical. The Tony love was deserved and appropriate.. But then a pro-shot of the Broadway musical that was already running was Golden Globe eligible in the film category? And now it gets Emmy acting nominations? It's just nonsense. 

I wrote this in the other thread but it's worth repeating here: 

This is worse than the ridiculous "Outstanding Musical Performance in a Talk Show/Morning Program" that awarded Ben Platt, Cynthia Erivo and other Bway performers with Emmy Awards for promoting their shows on tv. That was ludicrous and it was finally acknowledged and the category was pulled. 

This is worse because some truly wonderful actors over several categories who made actual television shows lost out to actors that already received Tony noms or wins for the same performances on the same stage. It's pathetic. 

 

 

 

[Kip4]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 6:43pm

DaveyG, AMEN!  Well said. 

[smidge]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 7:20pm

I'll never understand why they got rid of the category of Individual Performance in a Variety or Music Program. Elaine Stritch received this for At Liberty.

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 8:06pm

Smidge, I agree. The Emmys should've kept the category of Individual Performance in a Variety or Music Program. When the 1982 filmed version of ''Sweeney Todd'' was submitted for the Emmys, this is the category where Angela Lansbury and George Hearn were both nominated. And Hearn won!

[uncageg]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 9:08pm

"And while we're at it...re: Ben Platt's sophomore album.  How much longer must we be subjected to this daddy's boy playing at a performance career?  GOD."

We are not "subjected". If you don't want to listen to his music, you don't have to. You have that option. But "Daddy's Boy's"  debut album peaked at #3 on the Billboard charts so it appears a lot of people subjected themselves. Makes sense that he recorded another album. JMO