Idina Menzel didn't get an Olivier Award WTF??

Isn't it interesting how Idina Menzel and Helen Dallimore didn't receive Olivier nominations for their performances in the first London production of 'Wicked', or even how none of the succeeding Glindas/Elphabas have EVER been nominated for an Olivier. I say that since the Oliviers can honour replacements in shows that run a long time... Just a thought

Why do people say "'nuff said"? It's so pretentious and completely unattractive. I don't know why anyone wants to be "that guy" when other valid opinions are so readily available. Like this one...

Every single thing about Return to the Forbidden Planet was f***ing brilliant. The show utilized every single trend in 1989 that didn't become popularized until ten years later (jukebox musical + actors/musicians combo, EXCEPT the actors traded musical instruments with each number, so they all had to be able to play almost every instrument). It was ahead of its time, completely unique, hilarious, and wildly entertaining with a cast so musically talented, most Broadway performers would weep in shame. Miss Saigon was big and pretty and dramatic, but in terms of writing, innovation and creativity, it was far behind Forbidden Planet, even without an original score.

Oh yeah, and Wicked wasn't nominated for Best Musical in London, either. Funnily enough, Avenue Q and Spamalot were both nominated that year (along with a revised production of Porgy and Bess that didn't qualify as a revival) and didn't win. Caroline, or Change won that year and I think that's great. Wicked was only nominated for direction, sets, lighting and costumes.

Luckily, Legally Blonde and Sheridan Smith won this year which was well-deserved and delighted me to no end.

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Simple answer to this, the Olivier's award genuine talent, and unlike the Tony's, doesnt just jump on the bandwagon of whats popular, and present the award to who ever will get the best PR coverage.

Best example of this, it's often used, but it makes a point, last year Spring Awakening swept the awards, even though it flopped in London and had closed 10 months prior to the award ceremony, it won because it was the best thing!

I've got to say, while a huge supporter of all types of theatre, I am a "fan" of Wicked, I find it a highly faulted show, but much like Legally Blonde, I find it a fantastic "feel good" show and I did see Idina 3 times in her run, (ive seen the show 26 times to date) and must say I found her performance wooden and un-imaginative, especially compared to some of the other nominees that year.

When I like the show that wins, they reward artistic merit. When I don't, they pander to the lowest common denominator. Nuff said?

the Olivier's award genuine talent, and unlike the Tony's, doesnt just jump on the bandwagon of whats popular, and present the award to who ever will get the best PR coverage

That is the most spectacular misuse of apostrophes I've ever seen in one sentence. Kudos! It's like a fourth-grade grammar quiz. And I disagree with your comment about the Tonys. You never know which way they are going to go. Passion won over Beauty and the Beast. Avenue Q won over Wicked. Sometimes it's the runaway hit. Sometimes it's the show with the best reviews. Sometimes it's the little show that could. Sometimes it's just generally received as the best show of the season. Regardless, there will never be universal agreement over any winner any season. Ever. So the voters will vote how they vote and the show with the most votes will win. Voter trends change every few seasons and sometimes you get a close race (Kiss of the Spider Woman/Tommy), outrage (Two Gentlemen of Verona), or no surprise whatsoever (The Producers).

...and your explanation of Legally Blonde winning best musical this year is...

Because it deserved the win. If you only saw the Broadway production, it's not the same. I saw both live and London was FAR superior. Tighter direction, sharper focus, broader emotional range, and a genuine star-turn nuanced performance from Sheridan Smith put the show on top. It went fun bubble-gum fluff to classic musical comedy with just a few subtle, but hugely resonant changes. Honestly, it was like seeing a completely new show. I thought it was ok before, but in London, I was floored. I've seen a LOT of West End musicals over the past 13 years and Legally Blonde was one of the most perfect productions I've seen. Maybe second only to the Cam Mack revival of My Fair Lady (original cast), a show a never really liked that much before.

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Isn't it interesting

Only if interesting now means uninteresting.

No worries. I just thought the apostrophe thing was genuinely funny. I just have a stupid OCD thing about apostrophes and it was so backwards, it struck me as hilarious. Don't sweat it.

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"No worries. I just thought the apostrophe thing was genuinely funny. I just have a stupid OCD thing about apostrophes and it was so backwards, it struck me as hilarious. Don't sweat it.'

Don't worry, I wasn't serious, besides, i'm crap with grammar, however, don't get me started on bad semantics, I'll be going for hours!!

roseaddams, Caroline or Change didn't get the Tony for Best Musical that year. The honor went to Avenue Q.

roseaddams, Caroline or Change didn't get the Tony for Best Musical that year. The honor went to Avenue Q.

I believe roseaddams meant the Oliviers, where Caroline or Change DID win Best Musical.

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Yes, Kalimba, I was. Though in hindsight I really should have put the word 'Oliviers' in there somewhere. =D

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And I meant the London Audience Award, not the Broadway.com Audience Award (which she also won in 2004 for her Broadway performance).