Jennifer Holliday Will Not Perform At tRump's Inauguration- Page 6

[mar6411]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 4:02pm

Just a reminder - Dave 28282 is the former Dave19.  Always important to know the context.

Carry on.

[A Director]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 4:42pm

Dave28282 said: 
Get over yourself. It's a job. Every broadway performer could go home right now if he/she does not want to perform for people with different views. Audiences are full of them.

What an absurd comment.  Broadway performers don't know the views of the audience.  With Trump, they know he views!
 

 

[Robbie2]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 4:48pm

And I am tellin' you, I'm not goin'

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And you, and you, and you
You're gonna love me
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[JustAFan3]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:01pm

Looks like she had a change of heart...

 

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Jennifer-Holliday-Backs-Out-of-Trump-Inauguration-Gig--410727305.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

[Robbie2]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:02pm

JustAFan3 said: "Looks like she had a change of heart...

 

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Jennifer-Holliday-Backs-Out-of-Trump-Inauguration-Gig--410727305.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

Dude read above!

"

 

[JustAFan3]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:21pm

Read what Dude? the lyrics, I merely backed it up with a link to an article...

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:23pm

mar6411 said: "Just a reminder - Dave 28282 is the former Dave19.  Always important to know the context.

Carry on.

 

"

And what is the context in this case, where I am defending Jennifer Holliday?

 

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:28pm

haterobics said: "Dave28282 said: "It's sad she felt the need to obey to the bullies"

Another problem I have with Trump supporters is their ideas are usually so bad, we ignore their grammar.

 

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First of all, I can't stand Trump and secondly, English is my 4th language. And my grammar is not bad at all.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:30pm

A Director said: "Broadway performers don't know the views of the audience.  With Trump, they know he views!"

Personal or political views of your audience should never matter. Performers should be above that.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:32pm

Yes, how dare we be a bully to fascists! That poor Donald Trump, sure he doesn't think I should have healthcare and his VP wants to electrocute me, but we mustn't bully him, for that would be rude. 

Authoritarians and bigots do not deserve anyone's respect. And being disappointed with Jennifer Holliday is not bullying. Asking her not to perform and legitimize a fascist is not bullying. Whether or not this was publicity based, I'm glad she did the right thing and deprived hurtful people of her time and talent. They don't deserve it- or anything from the people they literally want to harm. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:38pm

Anyone using the word "bullying" in this conversation has zero credibility in this matter, I think. 

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:46pm

Jordan Catalano said: "Anyone using the word "bullying" in this conversation has zero credibility in this matter, I think. 

 

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Anyone deciding for a professional that he/she can't provide goods or services to an individual whose political views you disagree with has zero credibility in life in general, I think.

Updated On: 1/14/17 at 05:46 PM

[adamgreer]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:47pm

I still want to know how exactly she was "bullied"? She made a decision, and people let her know their feelings on said decision. People expressed their displeasure with her (Trump hasn't taken that right away yet, has he?). She became aware of the consequences that her actions would have and (wisely) changed her mind. Where's the bullying?

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:48pm

It's 2017. Anytime you voice disagreement or disapproval, you're bullying. Everyone knows that. 

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:50pm

Internet is full of threats towards her. "I will burn your cd's", "I will make sure you never work again". "She's dead for me" etc, etc, etc.

I can understand that some people would love to see no supplier in the world will ever work for/with him again, from people in stores, restaurants to hairdressers and artists, and preferably that everyone in the world boycots him, to satisfy your own political opinions, but that is not how life works.

Updated On: 1/14/17 at 05:50 PM

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:54pm

In this very thread alone, people called Ms. Holliday "insane," "desperate," "disgusting," "gross," "idiotic," and "embarrassing" for autonomously making a personal choice to perform in her career. When she showed a gleaning of changing her mind, people reverted to "good for her" and "happy to hear it." It was "wise" for her to make one decision but stupid for her to make another. Even though it was in her right.

Bullying is intimidation and coercion into conforming and doing what the bullying party wants. Some of you are so despicable to easily throw Ms. Holliday's entire career immediately into the toilet when she made one decision (which was apolitical, I might add). Many of you are bullies, and I feel sorry at this moment for Ms. Holliday and for our country.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:56pm

Well said, BroadwayConcierge.

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 5:57pm

Dave28282 said: "but that is not how life works."

Precisely, Dave. Unfortunately, however, a number of people on here can't wrap their heads around this, and still like to put quotation marks around the term President-elect when referring to Mr. Trump and call Melania "Melabia" and pretend like the inauguration of our 45th President isn't actually happening. These people fail to realize that just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. 

[SDV]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 6:01pm

Dave28282 said: "^ Matt Rogers, so behaving the same is the solution?

 

It's sad she felt the need to obey to the bullies, but she probably had a talk with her agent who tried to limit the **** the bullies throw at her online.

By the way, what if Donald Trump visited the Color Purple with Jennifer Holiday on Broadway? And if he did, what if there were some of these bullies in the audience that night too? And what if she did refuse to perform that night? Would the bullies like that and go home too? "

Last week Erivo tweeted the answer to this better than I could ever put it:

"Win or lose we would never want him in the house, he'd be turned out on the street with a woman shouting shame behind him all the way home"

Updated On: 1/14/17 at 06:01 PM

[GreasedLightning]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 6:01pm

BroadwayConcierge said: "In this very thread alone, people called Ms. Holliday "insane," "desperate," "disgusting," "gross," "idiotic," and "embarrassing" for autonomously making a personal choice to perform in her career. When she showed a gleaning of changing her mind, people reverted to "good for her" and "happy to hear it." It was "wise" for her to make one decision but stupid for her to make another. Even though it was in her right.

Bullying is intimidation and coercion into conforming and doing what the bullying party wants. Some of you are so despicable to easily throw Ms. Holliday's entire career immediately into the toilet when she made one decision (which was apolitical, I might add). Many of you are bullies, and I feel sorry at this moment for Ms. Holliday and for our country.

 

"

100%. Well said. 

[Mildred Plotka]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 6:09pm

BroadwayConcierge said: "Dave28282 said: "but that is not how life works."

Precisely, Dave. Unfortunately, however, a number of people on here can't wrap their heads around this, and still like to put quotation marks around the term President-elect when referring to Mr. Trump and call Melania "Melabia" and pretend like the inauguration of our 45th President isn't actually happening. These people fail to realize that just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. 

 

"

Are you gay? Are you transgender? Do you have a pre-existing medical condition? Are you any kind of minority? I don't THINK you can wrap your head around why so many on this board are so upset, scared, and angry about this new administration.   You are supporting ignorance, intolerance, and inequality, point blank.

Updated On: 1/14/17 at 06:09 PM

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 6:11pm

SDV said: "

"Win or lose we would never want him in the house, he'd be turned out on the street with a woman shouting shame behind him all the way home"

 

"

That's kind of hypocrite. Because a Broadway performer should always expect the audience to be filled with people with a very wide variety of beliefs and opinions, both personally and politically. Basically, it is none of their business.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 6:14pm

Mildred, some people are just doing their job. If he buys a suit in a store, is the service emplyee supporting ignorance too? Not everything in the world has to fulfill your political opinion.

Updated On: 1/14/17 at 06:14 PM

[binau]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 6:18pm

I do find that this board is sometimes consistent with the stereotypes that right-wing people hold of left-wing people (emotions over facts; silencing or trying to silence any differences of opinions; calling sexism/racism/bigotry for behaviours that may not be as black and white as they suggest it to be). I do think this thread was an overreaction (it would have been different had Holliday said she actually supported and voted for Trump - we know that she doesn't). 

But what makes the left-wing stereotype better than the right-wing stereotype is at least they are coming from a good place. Look at Trump's policies around deportation, his comments about women, Pence's comments and behaviours around LGBT people etc. etc. All people of minorities (e.g., LGBT people etc.) want to do is live their lives peacefully without feeling like second or third class citizens. So I can understand why they would be pissed off when someone who only works because of LGBT people is not also protesting an administration that is probably not going to be very good for LGBT people. 

I personally find it so frustrating that in the case of LGBT people, the Christian Party of America (aka the Republican Party) are willing to negatively impact the mental health of many LGBT people, their friends and their families because of ridiculously stupid and untrue 'religious beliefs'. It's a wider systemic issue - it's not just an individual-level issue. 

Updated On: 1/14/17 at 06:18 PM

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 1/14/17 at 6:20pm

Mildred, I belong to several of the minority groups that are expressing discomfort about Trump's presidency and I believe that most complaints filed against the coming administration are not valid.

Regardless, I feel that this thread/discussion isn't one that warrants a policy-oriented debate—it's entirely apolitical. Ms. Holliday, a Clinton voter, said herself that she was not intending to perform for President-elect Trump, but "for the people." To be shamed out of doing so is reprehensible.

Mr. Trump is going to be President. He won the election. To quote former Secretary Clinton, "At this point, what difference does it make?"