Jon Larson
Jon Larson
Hestia2
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DeNada
Broadway Star Joined: 7/7/07
#3Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 11:30am
While Superbia and Dear Evan Hansen both explore the power of the media, I think that's a fairly superficial similarity. DEH is far less scathing about society as a whole than the dystopian madness of Superbia; it is a smaller scale story of broken families, grief, and a very troubled and clearly ASD-coded young man making very poor choices through a yearning for acceptance that he cannot have. Superbia - if you can dramaturgically decode the labyrinthine mess of any of the various proposed versions of the story - might deal with social conformity, but on an institutional/political level as opposed to a personal one; it is the world of the Ins and Outs itself that drives the narrative, not the characters within it.
Hestia2
Swing Joined: 12/6/24
#5Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 3:21pm
Works can explore similar themes without being a "take" on one another. Aside from some loose themes, there is nearly nothing in common with these two pieces, and it seems pretty unlikely that Pasek, Paul, and Levenson were even particularly familiar with Superbia when they were creating DEH a decade ago.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Hestia2
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#6Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 3:53pm
Superbia deals with the Ins and the Outs. Evan is an Outsider who wants to be an In.
"On the outside, always looking in"
Broadway61004
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/14/11
#7Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 4:35pm
Hestia2 said: "Superbia deals with the Ins and the Outs.""
So does Cats. I guess that makes Superbia a modern version of Cats, huh?
Hestia2
Swing Joined: 12/6/24
AKarp2013
Broadway Star Joined: 7/25/11
#9Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 5:32pm
Hestia2 said: "What is exactly Superbia?"
I don't know, I thought you brought it up.
Alex Kulak2
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/11/16
#10Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 6:40pm
Hestia2 said: "What is exactly Superbia?"
Superbia is an incomplete musical written by Jonathan Larson. The project started as an adaptation of 1984, but became it's own thing after George Orwell's estate denied Larson the rights.
It's incredibly difficult to compare Superbia to Dear Evan Hansen, not because they are wildly different shows, but because Superbia, in a way, doesn't exist, and never will.
If your knowledge of the show comes from Tick Tick Boom, you might have the impression that Larson finished the show, put on a reading, and put the whole show in a drawer while he went off to work on Rent. In reality, Larson never stopped working on Superbia, and was still actively rewriting it up until he died. As a result, we have multiple drafts of the show, with different songs, plot points, themes, and characters. Someday, someone might try to cobble together a show from what we have, but without Larson to give his authoritative say as author, it will never be "Jonathan Larson's Superbia".
Dear Evan Hansen, on the other hand, is a finished show. While it's possible that there may be edits or revisions in the future, you can point to the 2016 Broadway production or the published script and call it the "definitive" version.
This wouldn't be comparing two musicals to see if they are different takes on the same ideas, it'd be comparing a musical (one whose creators are all still alive and able to discuss it's intent) with a collection of songs and a few hundred pages of script that don't have an authorial permutation.
A lot of Jonathan Larson's early work is like this, and its unfinished nature doesn't make it uninteresting. If you're interested, J. Collis has a book called Boho Days where he goes through Larson's papers at the Library of Congress and analyzes how Larson developed his style as a composer.
Hestia2
Swing Joined: 12/6/24
#11Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 8:51pm
My impressions came from Tick Tick Boom. I wanted to know more about Superbia.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#12Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 8:59pm
So maybe that's what you should have asked. Lots of people here have lots of information.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#13Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 9:06pm
This thread feels like everyone's conversing with an AI entity.
OP compares a well-known musical to a not-so-well-known unfinished musical and then proceeds to ask about that unfinished musical as if they didn't start this thread by making a declaration as if they knew both properties well.
That, or I feel like I'm high.
Hestia2
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jagman106
Stand-by Joined: 7/17/19
#15Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 9:51pm
Hestia2 said: "I wanted to know the plot and themes of Superbia."
Perhaps you should have asked about the plot and themes instead of making a statement in which it appears you already formed a conclusion and then commanded posters to comment on it. By asking, you might have confused fewer people and drawn less criticism.
Hestia2
Swing Joined: 12/6/24
Broadway61004
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/14/11
#17Jon Larson
Posted: 12/8/24 at 11:29pm
Hestia2 said: "Do you know the plot?"
Yes, it's about either an AI bot or a 5-year-old who posts random comments on a message board and can't understand the difference between two completely different musicals so instead tries to come up with bizarre theories to connect them.
Hestia2
Swing Joined: 12/6/24
#18Jon Larson
Posted: 12/9/24 at 11:36am
Look at ewe making assumptions about a stranger on the internet. Your parents ain't too proud. I have an ingenuous intelligence.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#19Jon Larson
Posted: 12/9/24 at 11:47am
For someone that want others to think they are intelligent: many of your words don't mean what you think they do.
This is on YOU. You came here trying to appear clever, and when you failed and were called out on it - you didn't just own it. Finding the plot of this is actual a Google away.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#20Jon Larson
Posted: 12/9/24 at 11:51am
This is definitely one of the weirder interactions I’ve seen during my long time on BWW.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#21Jon Larson
Posted: 12/9/24 at 12:11pm
Ewes are female sheep.
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
jagman106
Stand-by Joined: 7/17/19
#22Jon Larson
Posted: 12/9/24 at 3:22pm
Hestia2 said: "I wanted to know the plot and themes of Superbia."
Well if you read response #10, that poster told you that Superbia was a work in progress and there are no definitive plots and themes. You're asking for a concrete answer when there isn't one. DEH presented a final product. Superbia as unfinished, has no final product. It's pointless to try to draw comparisons between the two properties.
Hestia2
Swing Joined: 12/6/24
#23Jon Larson
Posted: 12/29/24 at 10:54am
Broadway61004 said:
Yes, it's about either an AI bot or a 5-year-old who posts random comments on a message board and can't understand the difference between two completely different musicals so instead tries to come up with bizarre theories to connect them."
Holds up a mirror the insult boomerangs off the glass and hits Broadway61004 square in the jaw.
#24Jon Larson
Posted: 12/29/24 at 11:28am
...it took you 3 weeks to come back with that, a worse version of "I'm rubber, you're glue"?
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#25Jon Larson
Posted: 12/29/24 at 11:33am
Hestia2 said: "Broadway61004 said:
Yes, it's about either an AI bot or a 5-year-old who posts random comments on a message board and can't understand the difference between two completely different musicals so instead tries to come up with bizarre theories to connect them."
Holds up a mirror the insult boomerangs off the glass and hits Broadway61004 square in the jaw."
Sick burn, yo -- ewe really exemplify "ingenuous intelligence".
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