Broadway Star Joined: 12/9/23
The only thing more embarrassing than being a verified shill for Queen of Versailles is being caught being a verified shill for Scott Rudin.
MysteriousLady said: "And f*CK you for being happy that people who did nothing wrong are out of work."
I, for one, do not care that Laurie Metcalf is "out of work." Frankly, I lost a lot of respect for her when she decided to continue working with Rudin. She's fortunate enough to be able to choose her projects, and she decided to work with someone who verbally abuses his staff and consistently creates toxic working environments. It's an obvious choice to prioritize her career or "art" over her colleague's ability to have a safe workplace.
I feel bad for everyone else in the show who can't easily move on to other work. That's all
I pose the question to the righteous of the thread.
Since Scott Rudin is one of the lead producers on THE BOOK OF MORMON, should that show then close down because of his toxic behaviors? By extension, everyone working on a production of BoM is choosing career and art over “colleague's ability to have a safe workplace”
I don’t think there really should be a double standard where you condemn Metcalf (who already has her next gig lined up) but not everyone else who is working on a Rudin production. Believe it or not, all actors have a choice to take on a role. They are not forced to perform in anything they do not want to be in.
As long as y’all use iPhones and Amazon, spare me. There is no “ethical consumption” under the gnarly beast that is capitalism.
TotallyEffed said: "As long as y’all use iPhones and Amazon, spare me. There is no “ethical consumption” under the gnarly beast that is capitalism."
Thank you! Like, literally look at the device you are typing these messages from. I’m all for putting your money where you want, but my god.
There is a big difference between headlining Scott Rudin's Broadway return production and being in a show of his that's been running for however many years.
You cannot possibly believe Laurie Metcalf has the same number of career opportunities/options that people currently in/auditioning for Book of Mormon have. If anything, Laurie could probably be getting paid more to do TV/film work right now, but instead, she chooses this.
TotallyEffed, this has nothing to do with "ethical consumption," and frankly, comparing it to buying an iPhone is disingenuous. My criticism is about Laurie, someone with enough clout to be routinely leading Broadway shows, showing a complete and total disregard for the safety of her colleagues. She could choose to work with anyone else, and she doesn't. If you are going to commit such a large part of your life and career to the theatre, at a very minimum, you could show some solidarity with your fellow workers.
How is it disingenuous? Do you think that the tiny, underage fingers in China that put your iPhone together are better off than an assistant who was abused by Scott Rudin?
I can't believe I have to explain this... It can be true that child labor is bad, and that many of us work in professions that require the use of a smartphone. What ethically produced smartphone options are out there that are supported by major carriers in the US? By your logic, I guess we should just get a different job that does not require the use of a phone, laptop, etc.
Your comment is so obviously disingenuous because it is not true that Laurie Metcalf is required to be in Scott Rudin-produced shows, nor does she uniquely benefit from being in them. It's a very conscious choice she's making. She could very easily be making more money in TV/film now.
I've worked for my share of toxic bosses, one in particular who would behave similarly to Rudin. I would NEVER put my name and backing behind them. One of my former supervisors asked me years later for a recommendation at my current company, and I politely declined because I didn't want my current coworkers to be subjected to her unprofessional behavior.
I am not asking for purity. I think it's actually the bare minimum to ask that you have respect and consideration for your coworker's safety
I understand your stance on Rudn, lastmidnights. But by your logic the whole cast of Book of Mormon should’ve quit long ago. Do you think he isn’t profiting from Book of Mormon? Do you think he isn’t still involved with it?
Should the cast and crew of Funny Girl and Chess have quit after Lea Michele was cast? Did you see those productions or did you ban them?
Your comments about actors suggest to me you know little about how this industry works. Actors, even famous ones, don’t just waltz up to producers or shoot them a text when they want a TV show or Broadway play built around their tastes and abilities. Barbra Streisand, one of the biggest stars on the planet, couldn’t get The Normal Heart or Gypsy produced and she tried her damndest for decades to get both films off the ground. They never happened. It’s not easy.
I have no doubt that Laurie continues to work with Scott Rudin because she is a muse for him, he has impeccable taste, and he makes it happen and he often makes it happen quick.
If the idea of supporting his shows makes you uncomfortable then don’t go. My only point is that you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re taking the moral high ground by doing so. It’s just a choice you’re making.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/22
im just curious if theres any evidence, or even conjecture, suggesting that since Rudin was (rightly) knocked off his perch and declared persona non grata, if hes continued to be a malicious jerk at the workplace? ive always thought it telling that he was never accused of any actual crimes but since he was so miserable, i have no problem with him taking his medicine. but is he still a monster? or maybe now hes just brilliantly talented at what he does without the toxicity?
TotallyEffed said: "I understand your stance on Rudn, lastmidnights. But by your logic the whole cast of Book of Mormon should’ve quit long ago. Do you think he isn’t profiting from Book of Mormon? Do you think he isn’t still involved with it?"
I addressed this in my previous comment. "You cannot possibly believe Laurie Metcalf has the same number of career opportunities/options that people currently in/auditioning for Book of Mormon have."
"Your comments about actors suggest to me you know little about how this industry works. Actors, even famous ones, don’t just waltzup to producers or shoot them a text when they want a TV show or Broadway play built around their tastes and abilities."
Fair enough, I was being vague. I know for a fact Metcalf turned down a film role to be in this current production. Who knows what else she was offered. That's why I think it reflects poorly on her. She had options.
"My only point is that you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re taking the moral high ground by doing so. It’s just a choice you’re making."
I think we're doing a disservice to the industry and to its workers if we continue to treat this behavior as acceptable. The people who can make the biggest difference are top talent (stop working with him) and consumers (stop going to his shows). Of course, everyone can make their own choices. I can also make the choice to view Metcalf differently based on her decision. :)
I wish I could say more about what I've personally witnessed from Rudin, especially since the article came out, but I know there's a rule against making accusations, and I don't wanna push it
I 100% support your right to your opinions and to spend your money and time the way you see fit. I do think the public lashing was strong and I agree that his behavior was absolutely unacceptable. And I do hope he has changed and I believe there will be lasting consequences if he has not.
But for me? Missing Nathan Lane and Laurie Metcalf do Salesman isn’t an option I’m exploring any time soon.
TotallyEffed said: "And I do hope he has changed, and I believe there will be lasting consequences if he has not."
He has not changed (personal opinion that I'm not allowed to elaborate on), and the extent of the consequence was having to leave his ongoing projects. I mean, now his net worth is only $250M instead of $300M! He really got what he deserved! Lmfao. Some of the offenses detailed in the Hollywood Reporter article were to the level of second-degree assault, which is a felony. He got off very easily.
Now he's coming right back and doing so aggressively. I care more about protecting artists and theater workers than I do about seeing anyone in anything.
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