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[GottaGetAGimmick420]

Posted: 12/12/25 at 1:26pm

The only thing more embarrassing than being a verified shill for Queen of Versailles is being caught being a verified shill for Scott Rudin. 

[lastmidnights]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 1:49pm

MysteriousLady said: "And f*CK you for being happy that people who did nothing wrong are out of work."

I, for one, do not care that Laurie Metcalf is "out of work." Frankly, I lost a lot of respect for her when she decided to continue working with Rudin. She's fortunate enough to be able to choose her projects, and she decided to work with someone who verbally abuses his staff and consistently creates toxic working environments. It's an obvious choice to prioritize her career or "art" over her colleague's ability to have a safe workplace. 

I feel bad for everyone else in the show who can't easily move on to other work. That's all

[quizking101]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 2:15pm

I pose the question to the righteous of the thread. 

Since Scott Rudin is one of the lead producers on THE BOOK OF MORMON, should that show then close down because of his toxic behaviors? By extension, everyone working on a production of BoM is choosing career and art over “colleague's ability to have a safe workplace”

I don’t think there really should be a double standard where you condemn Metcalf (who already has her next gig lined up)  but not everyone else who is working on a Rudin production. Believe it or not, all actors have a choice to take on a role. They are not forced to perform in anything they do not want to be in.

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 2:34pm

As long as y’all use iPhones and Amazon, spare me. There is no “ethical consumption” under the gnarly beast that is capitalism.

[ColorTheHours048]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 2:46pm

TotallyEffed said: "As long as y’all use iPhones and Amazon, spare me. There is no “ethical consumption” under the gnarly beast that is capitalism."

Thank you! Like, literally look at the device you are typing these messages from. I’m all for putting your money where you want, but my god.

[lastmidnights]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 2:49pm

There is a big difference between headlining Scott Rudin's Broadway return production and being in a show of his that's been running for however many years.

You cannot possibly believe Laurie Metcalf has the same number of career opportunities/options that people currently in/auditioning for Book of Mormon have. If anything, Laurie could probably be getting paid more to do TV/film work right now, but instead, she chooses this. 

TotallyEffed, this has nothing to do with "ethical consumption," and frankly, comparing it to buying an iPhone is disingenuous. My criticism is about Laurie, someone with enough clout to be routinely leading Broadway shows, showing a complete and total disregard for the safety of her colleagues. She could choose to work with anyone else, and she doesn't. If you are going to commit such a large part of your life and career to the theatre, at a very minimum, you could show some solidarity with your fellow workers. 

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 2:55pm

How is it disingenuous? Do you think that the tiny, underage fingers in China that put your iPhone together are better off than an assistant who was abused by Scott Rudin?

[lastmidnights]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 3:20pm

I can't believe I have to explain this... It can be true that child labor is bad, and that many of us work in professions that require the use of a smartphone. What ethically produced smartphone options are out there that are supported by major carriers in the US? By your logic, I guess we should just get a different job that does not require the use of a phone, laptop, etc. 

Your comment is so obviously disingenuous because it is not true that Laurie Metcalf is required to be in Scott Rudin-produced shows, nor does she uniquely benefit from being in them. It's a very conscious choice she's making. She could very easily be making more money in TV/film now. 

I've worked for my share of toxic bosses, one in particular who would behave similarly to Rudin. I would NEVER put my name and backing behind them. One of my former supervisors asked me years later for a recommendation at my current company, and I politely declined because I didn't want my current coworkers to be subjected to her unprofessional behavior.  

I am not asking for purity. I think it's actually the bare minimum to ask that you have respect and consideration for your coworker's safety

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 3:28pm

I understand your stance on Rudn, lastmidnights. But by your logic the whole cast of Book of Mormon should’ve quit long ago. Do you think he isn’t profiting from Book of Mormon? Do you think he isn’t still involved with it?

Should the cast and crew of Funny Girl and Chess have quit after Lea Michele was cast? Did you see those productions or did you ban them?

Your comments about actors suggest to me you know little about how this industry works. Actors, even famous ones, don’t just waltz up to producers or shoot them a text when they want a TV show or Broadway play built around their tastes and abilities. Barbra Streisand, one of the biggest stars on the planet, couldn’t get The Normal Heart or Gypsy produced and she tried her damndest for decades to get both films off the ground. They never happened. It’s not easy.

I have no doubt that Laurie continues to work with Scott Rudin because she is a muse for him, he has impeccable taste, and he makes it happen and he often makes it happen quick.

If the idea of supporting his shows makes you uncomfortable then don’t go. My only point is that you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re taking the moral high ground by doing so. It’s just a choice you’re making.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 3:42pm

im just curious if theres any evidence, or even conjecture, suggesting that since Rudin was (rightly) knocked off his perch and declared persona non grata, if hes continued to be a malicious jerk at the workplace? ive always thought it telling that he was never accused of any actual crimes but since he was so miserable, i have no problem with him taking his medicine. but is he still a monster? or maybe now hes just brilliantly talented at what he does without the toxicity? 

 

[lastmidnights]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 3:52pm

TotallyEffed said: "I understand your stance on Rudn, lastmidnights. But by your logic the whole cast of Book of Mormon should’ve quit long ago. Do you think he isn’t profiting from Book of Mormon? Do you think he isn’t still involved with it?"

I addressed this in my previous comment. "You cannot possibly believe Laurie Metcalf has the same number of career opportunities/options that people currently in/auditioning for Book of Mormon have."

"Your comments about actors suggest to me you know little about how this industry works. Actors, even famous ones, don’t just waltzup to producers or shoot them a text when they want a TV show or Broadway play built around their tastes and abilities."

Fair enough, I was being vague. I know for a fact Metcalf turned down a film role to be in this current production. Who knows what else she was offered. That's why I think it reflects poorly on her. She had options. 

"My only point is that you’re fooling yourself if you think you’re taking the moral high ground by doing so. It’s just a choice you’re making."

I think we're doing a disservice to the industry and to its workers if we continue to treat this behavior as acceptable. The people who can make the biggest difference are top talent (stop working with him) and consumers (stop going to his shows). Of course, everyone can make their own choices. I can also make the choice to view Metcalf differently based on her decision. :)

I wish I could say more about what I've personally witnessed from Rudin, especially since the article came out, but I know there's a rule against making accusations, and I don't wanna push it

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 4:01pm

I 100% support your right to your opinions and to spend your money and time the way you see fit. I do think the public lashing was strong and I agree that his behavior was absolutely unacceptable. And I do hope he has changed and I believe there will be lasting consequences if he has not.

 

But for me? Missing Nathan Lane and Laurie Metcalf do Salesman isn’t an option I’m exploring any time soon. 

[lastmidnights]

Posted: 12/13/25 at 4:24pm

TotallyEffed said: "And I do hope he has changed, and I believe there will be lasting consequences if he has not."

He has not changed (personal opinion that I'm not allowed to elaborate on), and the extent of the consequence was having to leave his ongoing projects. I mean, now his net worth is only $250M instead of $300M! He really got what he deserved! Lmfao. Some of the offenses detailed in the Hollywood Reporter article were to the level of second-degree assault, which is a felony. He got off very easily.

Now he's coming right back and doing so aggressively. I care more about protecting artists and theater workers than I do about seeing anyone in anything. 

[Ensemble1711444445]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 6:36am

It doesn't seem like anything he is bringing back rises to the level of "this has to get a theater" so the only people with the power to let him back are the theater owners and to a lesser degree the agents. All we can do is not buy tickets.  

lastmidnights said: "TotallyEffed said: "And I do hope he has changed, and I believe there will be lasting consequences if he has not."

He has not changed (personal opinion thatI'm not allowed to elaborate on), and the extent of the consequence was having to leave his ongoing projects. I mean, nowhis net worth is only $250M instead of $300M!He really got what he deserved! Lmfao. Some of the offenses detailed in the Hollywood Reporter article were to the level of second-degree assault, which is a felony.He got off very easily.

Now he's coming right back and doing so aggressively. I care more aboutprotecting artists and theater workers than I do about seeing anyone in anything."

 

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 8:15am

Everyone has agency they can choose to exercise related to Rudin: actors, producers, theater owners, other creative team members, investors, audience members, et al. 

Don't want him working?  Do what you can to influence all those decision-makers. Beyond that, what do people expect? (rhetorical question)

[BWAY Baby2]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 6:32pm

It is very easy to condemn other people- and Rudin and Lea did supposedly treat people shabbily and were perhaps abusive- of that I have no doubt. But, let us also aknowledge that people can change- and learn from mistakes- to me, if Laurie Metcalf has decided to work in a Rudin production- perhaps they discussed his prior abuses and she senses a real commitment to behavioral change and an understanding of the harm his past behaviors have wrought- isn't that possible- isn't redemption possible?

[Ensemble1711444445]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 6:34pm

perhaps if Laurie had come out and discussed that in advance it would be helpful. but you guessing it means nothing. 

BWAY Baby2 said: "It is very easy to condemn other people- and Rudin and Lea did supposedly treat people shabbily and were perhaps abusive- of that I have no doubt. But, let us also aknowledge that people can change- and learn from mistakes- to me, if Laurie Metcalf has decided to work in a Rudin production- perhaps they discussed his prior abuses and she senses a real commitment to behavioral change and an understanding of the harm his past behaviors have wrought- isn't that possible- isn't redemption possible?"

 

[TheOtherOne2]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 6:41pm

She’s already been involved in the cancellation of someone who made a big difference in her life and career. Though there are justifiable reasons for this, it’s possible that it left her feeling a little uncomfortable and that she’s in no hurry to wade in such waters again.

I trust that she knows what she’s doing.

[Ensemble1711444445]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 7:50pm

Wouldn't being uncomfortable have made her not sign on to TWO projects with this issue? I don't really care but I am confused by all the need to excuse her - let her tell her story or be judged on her choices. 

TheOtherOne2 said: "She’s already been involved in the cancellation of someone who made a big difference in her life and career. Though there are justifiable reasons for this, it’s possible that it left her feeling a little uncomfortable and that she’s in no hurry to wadein such waters again.

I trust that she knows what she’s doing."

 

[TheOtherOne2]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 8:14pm

Ensemble1711444445 said: "Wouldn't being uncomfortable have made her not sign on to TWO projects with this issue? I don't really care but I am confused by all the need to excuse her - let her tell her story or be judged on her choices.

TheOtherOne2 said: "She’s already been involved in the cancellation of someone who made a big difference in her life and career. Though there are justifiable reasons for this, it’s possible that it left her feeling a little uncomfortable and that she’s in no hurry to wadein such waters again.

I trust that she knows what she’s doing."

I don't sign on to this reasoning and I don't think she owes you or anybody any explanation.  You are free, of course, not to see her work if you feel that strongly about her working with Rudin.

 

[Ensemble1711444445]

Posted: 12/14/25 at 8:41pm

My comment was on your need to guess what her reasoning was and your excusing her silence over abuse based on your own guess. She can do as she pleases concerning working with abusers. I just wasn't sure why you felt the need to speak for her without having any real knowledge. 

TheOtherOne2 said: "Ensemble1711444445 said: "Wouldn't being uncomfortable have made her not sign on to TWO projects with this issue? I don't really care but I am confused by all the need to excuse her - let her tell her story or be judged on her choices. 

TheOtherOne2 said: "She’s already been involved in the cancellation of someone who made a big difference in her life and career. Though there are justifiable reasons for this, it’s possible that it left her feeling a little uncomfortable and that she’s in no hurry to wadein such waters again.

I trust that she knows what she’s doing."

I don't sign on to this reasoning and I don't think she owes you or anybody any explanation. You are free, of course, not to see her work if you feel that strongly about her working with Rudin.

"

 

[quizking101]

Posted: 12/15/25 at 9:00am

At this point, it seems just like everyone is at an impasse and it boils down to the following essence:

- You can have your feelings on Rudin and not support his produced work, but there is no perfect system for ethical consumption on Broadway and whataboutism will always muddy the waters.

- Laurie Metcalf owes nobody an explanation as to why she continues to work with Rudin. It is also telling that only she is getting the indictment, and not other high profile performers (like Nathan Lane). 

- Everyone has the free will to work on shows they auditioned for/are offered. 

[Ensemble1711444445]

Posted: 12/15/25 at 9:24am

Thank you for deciding everything for us. 

It is not telling it was the topic. She was the topic - not all actors who work with him thus the response was about her. And yes being a public figure making choices carries responsibility...but it is her choice and we are forced to have opinions in a void - she owes us nothing but we owe her nothing either. The responses here were about the presumptions that let her off the hook with out any evidence that she feels the way the poster intimated. You guys love to spin stuff.  At this point it boils down to just this..she chooses to work with abusive people and we don't know why. 


 

quizking101 said: "At this point, it seems just like everyone is at an impasse and it boils down to the following essence:

- You can have your feelings on Rudin and not support his produced work, but there is no perfect system for ethical consumption on Broadway and whataboutism will always muddy the waters.

- Laurie Metcalf owes nobody an explanation as to why she continues to work with Rudin. It is also telling that only she is getting the indictment, and not other high profile performers (like Nathan Lane).

- Everyone has the free will to work on shows they auditioned for/are offered."
 

Updated On: 12/15/25 at 09:24 AM