LOVE NEVER DIES - US Tour- Page 19

[Hannah Epperson]

Posted: 3/12/18 at 2:15pm

Forgive me if you guys have already discussed this--was anyone else thrown by the changes to the lyrics in Beneath a Moonless Sky? In the London version the Phantom says Christine found him "in that time when the world thought me dead." But in the Australia version, Christine thought he was dead, too, and it's never quite specified WHEN she sought out the Phantom. She does day she was "tormented by [her] choice," but she had already chosen Raoul early on in POTO.

But if she thought he died at the end of Phantom, they must have had sex before he kidnaps her for the last time at the end of the show. Which makes no sense, if they'd already been together and he'd rejected her. And the big kiss at the finale of POTO is meaningless--they've already done that and more.

Am I misinterpreting? Anyone know what the lyrics are for the US tour?

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 3/12/18 at 2:45pm

Babe_Williams said: "Is this a recording of the touring production? Do other shows do this?"

It's not the tour cast. It's extremely misleading for them to have it listed as the "Tour CD." I hope they correct that.

[labellaragazza1]

Posted: 3/12/18 at 2:51pm

Hannah Epperson said: "Forgive me if you guys have already discussed this--was anyone else thrown by the changes to the lyrics in Beneath a Moonless Sky? In the London version the Phantom says Christine found him "in that time when the world thought me dead." But in the Australia version, Christine thought he was dead, too, and it's never quite specified WHEN she sought out the Phantom. She does day she was "tormented by [her] choice," but she had already chosen Raoul early on in POTO.

But if she thought he died at the end of Phantom, they must have had sex before he kidnaps her for the last time at the end of the show. Which makes no sense, if they'd already been together and he'd rejected her. And the big kiss at the finale of POTO is meaningless--they've already done that and more.

Am I misinterpreting? Anyone know what the lyrics are for the US tour?"

I've only seen the London version live, but I heard the lyric changes from the Australian version and I believe the tour kept those, so if you have seen that version, it should be the same. http://www.metrolyrics.com/beneath-a-moonless-sky-australia-lyrics-love-never-dies-australia.html

I assumed that the line "I stole to your side, tormented by my choice" was in reference to leaving with Raoul in the final lair, and then after said moonless night that they discuss, the Phantom left and at some point faked his death? 

I wouldn't think too hard on it. It's a beautiful show, visually, but the book is and always has been a major weak spot.

[Hannah Epperson]

Posted: 3/12/18 at 7:32pm

I've only seen the London version live, but Iheard the lyric changes from the Australian version and I believe the tour kept those, so if you have seen that version, it should be the same.https://www.metrolyrics.com/beneath-a-moonless-sky-australia-lyrics-love-never-dies-australia.html

I assumed that the line "I stole to your side, tormented by my choice"was in reference to leaving with Raoul in the final lair, and then after said moonlessnight thatthey discuss, the Phantom left and at some point faked his death?

I wouldn't think too hard on it. It's a beautiful show, visually, but the book is and always has been a majorweak spot."

Ha! Not thinking too hard on it might be the best course of action. I'm finding myself in a bit of a love-hate relationship with this show, honestly. It just seems unfortunate to write in a pretty glaring plot hole when it wasn't even there in the first version of the song. I did initially really like the idea that she thought he was dead just as everyone else did, until I realized that this would profoundly change the significance of the events at the end of POTO. Ah, well. I'll try to let it go.  

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/12/18 at 9:03pm

I assumed that the line "I stole to your side, tormented by my choice" was in reference to leaving with Raoul in the final lair, and then after said moonless night that they discuss, the Phantom left and at some point faked his death? 

I don't think that's what the line means.  It sounds like she was tormented leaving Raoul just before they're wed to return to the Phantom.

[labellaragazza1]

Posted: 3/12/18 at 9:38pm

Mister Matt said: "I assumed that the line "I stole to your side, tormented by my choice"was in reference to leaving with Raoul in the final lair, and then after said moonlessnight thatthey discuss, the Phantom left and at some point faked his death?

I don't think that's what the line means. It sounds like she was tormented leaving Raoul just before they're wed to return to the Phantom."

Hmm. For me, I was not sure why she would steal to the phantom’s side, sleep with him and be ready to swear her love unless she’s felt bad about leaving the Phantom in the first place. I thought she meant she was tormented that she had left him and came back to rectify that, but then he left her while she was sleeping. But I also always thought it was relatively unbelievable that she could have found him after he disappeared anyway.

The line still makes more sense than “I stole to your side to tell you I must go” as it was originally, whether she was tormented by her choice to leave either of the men, I guess. 

[antonijan]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 6:09am

Happy Opening Night in San Jose!

[Lot666]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 8:49am

labellaragazza1 said: "I thought she meant she was tormented that she had left [the Phantom] and came back to rectify that, but then he left her while she was sleeping."

I believe that's exactly what is meant.

 

 

[Hannah Epperson]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 10:01am

Lot666 said: "labellaragazza1 said: "I thought she meant she was tormented that she had left [the Phantom] and came back to rectify that, but then he left her while she was sleeping."

I believe that's exactly what is meant.

 

See, that's what I thought, too--especially in the original version of the song. But why, then, in the Australian version, did she think the Phantom was dead? She must have known he survived the fire that everyone else thought killed him, because she went to find him afterwards. 

[Lot666]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 10:09am

Hannah Epperson said: "Lot666 said: "labellaragazza1 said: "I thought she meant she was tormented that she had left [the Phantom] and came back to rectify that, but then he left her while she was sleeping."

I believe that's exactly what is meant.

See, that's what I thought, too--especially in the original version of the song. But why, then, in the Australian version, did she think the Phantom was dead? She must have known he survived the fire that everyone else thought killed him, because she went to find him afterwards."

She never saw/heard from him again after their night together, so my understanding is that she eventually concluded he was dead.

I don't know what fire you're referring to.

[Hannah Epperson]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 10:27am

I don't know what fire you're referring to."

Oh, you're totally right, I'm mixing up the prologues from Phantom and Love Never Dies. 

[Lot666]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 10:43am

Hannah Epperson said: "I don't know what fire you're referring to."

Oh, you're totally right, I'm mixing up the prologues from Phantom and Love Never Dies."

Actually, there's no mention of a fire in the prologue of the original Phantom either. The only time a fire was mentioned was in "That's The Place That You Ruined, You Fool!", which was a very brief exchange between Fleck and Giry near the beginning of the original concept recording for Love Never Dies. I don't believe it was ever included in the London production, but if it was, it was very short-lived. 

Updated On: 3/13/18 at 10:43 AM

[Hannah Epperson]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 10:53am

Lot666 said: Actually, there's no mention of a fire in the prologue of the original Phantom either.The only time a fire was mentioned was in "That's The Place That You Ruined, You Fool!", which was a very brief exchange between Fleck and Giry near the beginning ofthe original concept recording for Love Never Dies. I don't believe it was ever included in the London production, but if it was, it was very short-lived."

Yeah, my brain smooshed the fire in the prologue to LND in the original album with the prologue in POTO and decided that the Opera House in Paris burned down, instead of Phantasma on Coney Island. Need. More. Coffee. 

[Lot666]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 10:57am

Hannah Epperson said: "Yeah, my brain smooshed the fire in the prologue to LND in the original albumwith the prologue in POTO and decided that the Opera House in Paris burned down, instead of Phantasma on Coney Island. Need. More. Coffee.

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Wow, that's quite convoluted. No wonder you struggled to follow the plot! 

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/13/18 at 2:09pm

I believe that's exactly what is meant.

Clearly, it's a clunky and ambiguous lyric, either way.  Personally, I've always found Beneath a Moonless Sky to be far too vague and clumsy.  Beautiful music, but the lyrics don't serve the plot very well.

[antonijan]

Posted: 3/15/18 at 7:36am

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Could ALW be the grandson of the Phantom...

And could The Phantom and Raoul have eventually developed romantically for the Benefit of the progeny

The possibilities

Updated On: 3/15/18 at 07:36 AM

[chernjam]

Posted: 3/19/18 at 7:50pm

On Friday I got the "new" CD of Love Never Dies that they are selling on the US Tour.  Have to admit I'm pretty amazed how they were able to update the original recording of the Australian cast with the changes he made to the score.  It sounded seamless - you couldn't tell where the new recording came in... and kudos for getting Ben Lewis to record the revised "Beauty Underneath."  I was surprised that I liked the new Beauty Underneath.  And the additions they made for it in Act I and II.  Impressive all around.  (on a side note, now that you can hear how they were able to revise a recording so well, I'm surprised that ALW didn't do the same with Sunset Boulevard changing the overture and subsequent reprises of "The Greatest Star of All" in the US recording)

For LND fans, definitely worth the purchase

[Lot666]

Posted: 3/20/18 at 10:55am

chernjam said: "On Friday I got the "new" CD of Love Never Dies that they are selling on the US Tour. Have to admit I'm pretty amazed how they were able to update the original recording of the Australian cast with the changes he made to the score. It sounded seamless - you couldn't tell where the new recording came in... and kudos for getting Ben Lewis to record the revised "Beauty Underneath." I was surprised that I liked the new Beauty Underneath. And the additions they made for it in Act I and II. Impressive all around. (on a side note, now that you can hear how they were able to revise a recording so well, I'm surprised that ALW didn't do the same with Sunset Boulevard changing the overture and subsequent reprises of "The Greatest Star of All" in the US recording)

For LND fans, definitely worth the purchase"

Thanks for sharing, good to hear!

Funny, I saw the Sunset revival five times and I don't think I ever noticed the changes that were supposedly made. Were they that subtle, or am I just dim?

[chernjam]

Posted: 3/20/18 at 1:51pm

Lot - theres a subtle, but somewhat noticeable change in the notes for the overture... will look for a clip to share with you so you can listen for yourself

[Lot666]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 11:55am

"Andrew Lloyd Webber has chosen, 32 years after co-creating the still-playing longest-running Broadway musical in history, to revive the major characters of 'The Phantom of the Opera' and bring them to this side of the Atlantic. Has he succeeded? Most definitely, if the current production of 'Love Never Dies' at the Segerstrom Center for the Arts is any indication."

LA Times On Theater: ‘Love Never Dies’ is a mighty melodrama

[acm8468]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 2:37pm

Lot666 said: ""Andrew Lloyd Webber has chosen, 32 years after co-creating the still-playing longest-running Broadway musical in history, to revive the major characters of 'The Phantom of the Opera'and bring them to this side of the Atlantic. Has he succeeded? Most definitely, if the current production of 'Love Never Dies' at the Segerstrom Center for the Arts is any indication."

LA TimesOn Theater: ‘Love Never Dies’ is a mighty melodrama"

WOW.   Nice review...thanks for the link!  Question though...what’s up with Gardar?  He seems to be out an awful lot.  He never once appeared in Detroit and I didn’t see him when I saw the show in Orlando. Bronson is so amazing in the role I can’t possibly imagine Gardar being “better”.  

[chernjam]

Posted: 4/27/18 at 3:35pm

Lot - thanks for sharing... A rave from the LA Times is definitely going to encourage investors to bring this to broadway.  

acm - curious about Gadar too... its strange they've not addressed it much.

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 4/28/18 at 10:52am

Won free tickets to it when it comes to Charlotte NC in September so nothing to lose - lol

[Elfuhbuh]

Posted: 4/28/18 at 11:41am

I hear Gardar has been getting sick a LOT during this tour. I’m really starting to wonder if there’s something more to it, but that’s not our business.

[Lot666]

Posted: 4/28/18 at 11:52am

chernjam said: "Lot - thanks for sharing... A rave from the LA Times is definitely going to encourage investors to bring this to broadway."

Fingers crossed, even if it's just for a few months!