Mrs. Doubtfire is gonna get protested- Page 6

[SoCalDirector]

Posted: 9/23/21 at 1:10pm

This like the Tootsie complaints of transphobia is complete bull.  It has nothing to do with : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people.  Nothing.   I don't even think that cross dressers or drag queens could have a legit complaint.   It isn't making fun or them, showing fear or discrimination.  It is a man dressing as a woman to be near his children.   Tootsie was a man dressed as a woman to get an acting job.  They are both COMEDIES.  Neither has ANYTHING that ridicules trans people.  I encounter my first trans person in the 70's in the south.   I have been understanding and accepting that long.   When American Theatre had an article calling out Tootsie for transphobia I was shocked.  Was I too old to get it?  I saw Tootsie with a group that included several teens.  I asked them (straight and gay) if they thought Tootsie was transphobic.  They all answered a resounding NO!  I showed them the article and they were also surprised and found it inappropriate.

I had been a subscriber to American Theatre for many, many years.  I cancelled my subscription.   I will not support a publication publishing something as off base as that one.

What is next, call all Shakespeare plays with breeches roles transphobic?  They aren't making fun of trans people.  Charley's Aunt?  Ridiculous.  It has nothing to do with trans discrimination.

Yes, more trans actors should get roles as trans characters.  Change takes time but there is more awareness now that even in casting and productions.  What to do with a character who transitions during the narrative?  They character would be both male and female at different parts.

Years ago I directed Finian's Rainbow.  The racist white character Billboard Rawkins is called out by Sharon who doesn't realize she is standing over the pot of gold when she says, "I wish you were black" and poof he is.  The script called for the cast to surround him and put black face on him.  I was a young director at the time and I thought that is crazy.  I had a black actor of the same size in matching make-up and costume switch places during a light/smoke effect.  

My major complaint about these unwarranted "protests" which are illogical complaints is that by in large the theatre community and by in large the entertainment world has been more inclusive and supportive than many other organizations and communities.  

So many people are off base to call out things.  Christian Navarro was upset when he didn't get the role of Prince Eric in the new Little Mermaid film.  He called out Disney for not having diversity in casting.  When the majority of the leads are non-white (in what was originally an almost white cast) your complaint doesn't hold water.  

 

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/23/21 at 1:17pm

HogansHero said: "hearthemsing22 said: "Really. Good! So am I. And as such I’m able to move on and disagree with people respectfully. So glad everyone else here is also able to do that since they’re also adults, I’m guessing? Good!"

Now work on moving on beyond irrelevant posts borne of your having stubbed you toe in another thread by making comments with which others disagreed or that they corrected. People are not expected to remain silent when they read something that's wrong. That's not respect. Respect is honoring truth."

…Respect is also not continuously putting down someone. I’m aware that your responses are in response to questions I have asked. But on the other post in question, there was a lot of direct insults to me. Not respectful disagreement. Direct insults. So if we could move on from using those methods to respond to people, thatd be great. Thank you! 

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 9/23/21 at 1:45pm

So is there a date and time set for the protest? Eagerly waiting to see the crowd of two that might show up.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/23/21 at 1:52pm

It’s gotta be before dinner time or their parents are gonna be angry they’re not home in time.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/23/21 at 1:58pm

Sick of the children who start threads like this and then the children who bitch about being respected while they are screaming at other people.

School is in session. Learn something, kiddos. Thanks so much. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/23/21 at 3:26pm

hearthemsing22 said: "…Respect is also not continuously putting down someone. I’m aware that your responses are in response to questions I have asked. But on the other post in question, there was a lot of direct insults to me. Not respectful disagreement. Direct insults. So if we could move on from using those methods to respond to people, thatd be great. Thank you!"

You wrote privately to me on multiple occasions and I responded, substantively and in detail. You continued to post both publicly and privately as if you had not read any of those responses that I took the time to write. On both sides, I highlighted the ways in which you had been made offensive statements, and had otherwise said things that were ill-informed. Yet you persist in juvenile troll-like behavior. As many others have said, it is not disrespectful to disagree. It is not insulting to disagree. As I also wrote to you privately, I robustly attack ideas here but not people. If you don't want your ideas challenged, either don't post them or else make sure you know what you are talking about. No one is required to handle you with kid gloves because you want some unearned privilege to which you are not entitled. 

PS we are all getting bored, but I guess you have not noticed.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 9/23/21 at 3:43pm

And yet...something tells me this thread is more interesting than the actual show. 

[geaj]

Posted: 9/24/21 at 8:22pm

It seems that so many are looking for reasons to be offended by anything these days.