#26
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:29pm
You think having a black cast would change the message of the show?
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#27
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:32pm
Uh, yeah. Part of the reason it "shocks" people, or at least was a big deal for me to take my mother to see was because it was the "American Whitebread" stereotypical family, and looking behind that perfect whitebread facade to see all of what the truth is for some families. I think changing the race is OF COURSE gonna change that message a little.
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#28
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:36pm
Yes because black people, or to you "the coloreds" are already so messed up it's just not effective at all to see a "normal" family who doesn't happen to like you or Mommy suffering from this disease.
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Updated On: 7/30/09 at 09:36 PM
#29
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:38pm
...wow, Kelly2. Just... wow.
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#30
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:43pm
I think the thing that shocks people is not cause it's a "white bread" family turned upside down ..i think because it is a family period turned upside down...if anything I think the shock value would be elevated more if it where a black cast....a black family that is torn apart in the suberbs and it has nothing at all to do with race/racism or prejudice ..that could be a little different..im just saying.
#31
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:46pm
I think Kelly2 was just shocked that her Mom agreed to take the white hood off long enough to sit in a theater for 2 1/2 hours.
#32
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:52pm
Wow...who knew that mental illness could be racist.
So....it's not shocking if an African American family were to deal with mental illness the same way as a white family?
I'm REALLY taken aback by your thoughts -- regarless of how you meant them.
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I'm the worst person as "casting" known people...somehow I just don't think that way.
So....it's not shocking if an African American family were to deal with mental illness the same way as a white family?
I'm REALLY taken aback by your thoughts -- regarless of how you meant them.
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I'm the worst person as "casting" known people...somehow I just don't think that way.
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#33
Posted: 7/30/09 at 9:53pm
Who is to say that an African-American family can't be your typical All-American 'White Bread Family'. I personally hate the idea of Audra. That woman is a genius...but she is a classic Broadway soprano. Norm Lewis's voice is also too traditional for Dan, as well.
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Updated On: 7/30/09 at 09:53 PM
#34
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:07pm
Ummm, I love how Kelly2 says "OF COURSE" like it's oh so obvious that having a black Diana, black Dan, or a black Goodman family would entirely change the show. Those are some ridiculous and ignorant comments. Ugh. Take your ignorance somewhere else.
Not a black actress, but a Latina actress I'd love to see as Diana is Daphne Rubin-Vega whom I think possesses the rock voice required to pull off the part. And no, I don't think casting her in the part would OF COURSE change the message of the show, like, I mean, like duh!
Not a black actress, but a Latina actress I'd love to see as Diana is Daphne Rubin-Vega whom I think possesses the rock voice required to pull off the part. And no, I don't think casting her in the part would OF COURSE change the message of the show, like, I mean, like duh!
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#35
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:11pm
Oh my GOD. Daphne. YES. YES. YES. YES.
Needless to say I LOVE Daphne and THIS is the type of show she needs so badly right now.
Would that be okay with you, Kelly?
Needless to say I LOVE Daphne and THIS is the type of show she needs so badly right now.
Would that be okay with you, Kelly?
#36
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:17pm
Lilli Copper as Natalie would be great!!! What about Gabe???
#37
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:19pm
LOL, yes, sorry, had to go take off my hood and go to the meeting. You all need to take some pills yourself. You think that something as loaded as race doesn't alter the message of a show, as interpreted by its' audience members? Really? Okay. Y'all are the ignorant ones.
I have no problem with any production or any casting of anyone of any race that they want to put in the show. But to say it's the exact same show and it will still say the exact same things to the entire audience is ignorant. It's not saying it won't still make a strong statement about mental illness and families, but it does definitely make change things. Shake them up a bit, which can be both good and bad.
I have no problem with any production or any casting of anyone of any race that they want to put in the show. But to say it's the exact same show and it will still say the exact same things to the entire audience is ignorant. It's not saying it won't still make a strong statement about mental illness and families, but it does definitely make change things. Shake them up a bit, which can be both good and bad.
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#38
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:20pm
Also, do you think no African-American or Latina actresses auditioned for Next to Normal at all? The creative time chose to cast every single member of that cast of a specific race. Do you think maybe there was a reason for that?
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#39
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:31pm
Why would it not be shocking if an African-American family had to deal with mental illness? Do you think this sort of thing is more prevalent in African-American families? Because, statistically, it's not.
It's not that the family is "white bread" that is shocking, it's that they're the "perfect loving family." They're representative of ANY family, ANYWHERE in America (one of the reasons a specific location is never given). Are you suggesting that this would be less shocking if the family were African-American?
It's not that the family is "white bread" that is shocking, it's that they're the "perfect loving family." They're representative of ANY family, ANYWHERE in America (one of the reasons a specific location is never given). Are you suggesting that this would be less shocking if the family were African-American?
#41
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:46pm
Or, along the same lines as Adam Greer, mixed race.
Mixed race families will slowly become the majority in this country. And, no, I don't feel it would alter this show one iota. This is not a show that deals with race in any shape or form, it deals with mental illness and the human condition.
Mixed race families will slowly become the majority in this country. And, no, I don't feel it would alter this show one iota. This is not a show that deals with race in any shape or form, it deals with mental illness and the human condition.
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Updated On: 7/30/09 at 10:46 PM
#42
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:47pm
Oookay, y'all are a little too crazy for my taste. Peace.
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#43
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:50pm
It seems like Kelly2 finally left the thread. Now we can have a good, interesting conversation about what actors would be good as replacements in this show.
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#44
Posted: 7/30/09 at 10:58pm
Let's do a younger cast. Ashanti as the lead.
#45
Posted: 7/30/09 at 11:00pm
I love that idea! And let's have Elle Fanning as Natalie. LOL
#46
Posted: 7/30/09 at 11:04pm
The show is about a Family and Tragedy,
It can happen to any Family, white, black, Asian etc. or blended.
It's Life in regional will be most interesting.
It would work well in China.
It can happen to any Family, white, black, Asian etc. or blended.
It's Life in regional will be most interesting.
It would work well in China.
#47
Posted: 7/30/09 at 11:05pm
Oh God, Curtain don't say that! Poor Kelly's head will spin right off!
#48
Posted: 7/31/09 at 12:27am
Kelly2, I don't see one darn good reason as to how the message of the show would be affected by if this family was played by an all-black cast vs. an all-white cast. First of all, how does race come into play with the message of the show in the first place?
The fact that the family is on the outside a perfect, loving family, as others are mentioning, makes the message compelling. Perfect, loving families can be white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. So, no, I don't agree with you that it will change things. Maybe people will have a slightly different perspective of the show, but I don't think it would be one that would affect the integrity of the show or the show's true message.
'Also, do you think no African-American or Latina actresses auditioned for Next to Normal at all? The creative time chose to cast every single member of that cast of a specific race. Do you think maybe there was a reason for that?'
Talent?
The fact that the family is on the outside a perfect, loving family, as others are mentioning, makes the message compelling. Perfect, loving families can be white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. So, no, I don't agree with you that it will change things. Maybe people will have a slightly different perspective of the show, but I don't think it would be one that would affect the integrity of the show or the show's true message.
'Also, do you think no African-American or Latina actresses auditioned for Next to Normal at all? The creative time chose to cast every single member of that cast of a specific race. Do you think maybe there was a reason for that?'
Talent?
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#49
Posted: 7/31/09 at 1:00am
" Do you think maybe there was a reason for that?'
Talent?"
So you're saying you don't think there are any non-caucasian actors/actresses who are as talented as the current cast of N2N? Sounds like you're the one with the racial issue.
Talent?"
So you're saying you don't think there are any non-caucasian actors/actresses who are as talented as the current cast of N2N? Sounds like you're the one with the racial issue.
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