People Are Dressing Like Slobs: Elizabeth Vincentelli- Page 5

[Petralicious]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 11:00am

Hogan, you seem to be the one most angry most judgmental of anyone in this thread. Are you that guy at the restaurant, who while everyone is dressed nicely, properly, appropriately, youre in the tshirt cargo pants and flips?

[Kad]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 11:04am

Any restaurant at which that would matter would not allow anyone to patronize it dressed that way. It's up to the establishment to enforce what they deem is "proper" and "appropriate," not you.

[M.O.A.I.]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 1:46pm

PThespian said: "I also find it really sad that people here are saying that going to the theater isn't a special event. 

To me the theater is special. Going there is a special event not because I don't do it often (believe me when I tell you I go a lot), but because it is a special place to be. 

What makes an event special is the nature of the event and not how often it occurs. Going to the theater might be a routine event for you, but it's a shame if you don't find it special. IMO

"

Oh, come now, let's not get trapped in semantics. Of course I find the theater special - it's an absolute thrill, a rush you can't get anywhere else. I treasure every time I've been to the theater. Why would I or anyone else go so frequently if we didn't think it were special?

But just because I love and value going to the theater, that doesn't mean I treat it as an event, at least not one akin to a birthday dinner or family reunion, where I might feel obligated to dress up. To me, there's not much that distinguishes a trip to the theater from a trip to the cinema or to an art museum (other than my feelings about each particular art form, of course). I love doing all three, and get a thrill from all three, and yet only at the theater is there anything resembling a dress code. Sometimes it's fun to dress up, yes. But for the life of me I can't think of any reason, other than historic elitism, that the theater (and opera, ballet, symphony) should somehow be on a "higher plane" of sartorial standards.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 2:52pm

@PThespian you've so lost the silly semantics arguments that I will simply say look up behavior too. 

@Petra I can't fathom what you think I have said that evinces anger or judgmentalism. Do tell....

What I know for sure is that I have never had a pair of cargo pants in my life. But, you see, how I dress is irrelevant, because this is not all about me. In fact, it is not about me at all. Then again, I also don't have to wear a hijab or a turban or a yarmulke or a kilt to know that it is wrong to criticize someone for the way they look. 

 

[Petralicious]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 3:19pm

You are extreme Mr Hogan bringing up Yarmulkes and Turbans to support your argument. No one is suggesting those are sloppy attire or unpresentable. Are you comparing them to dirty sweatpants? 

Thank goodness for the fashion industry most people do care about how they look, dress and present themselves or alot of people would be out of work.  Does the fact that you do not make you a bad person? Of course not, and not saying that.  How you present yourself tells people alot about you. I was raised to present myself one way and you seem to be the opposite. We can still be freinds and have a cocktail together. C'est la vie

[HogansHero]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 4:10pm

@Petra, wow you are not seeing the forest for the trees. The point is, it's a fine line between what you consider unpresentable (which, for the record, is cargo pants, tshirts and flip flops) and what someone else does. We have public figures in this country mocking people in hijabs, and we have had the same re turbans and yamulkes. If you get to declare cargo pants unpresentable, what's next? Sorry, not interested in your slippery slope. And I don't know why you are still talking about me; I care about how I look; I just don't think I have a say in how others care to look. I think most people in ripped jeans and tshirts think they look better than the kid who got dressed up in some antiquated outfit. 

@PT, no deal. you can have whatever argument you want but as I say above it's a slippery slope once you start judging how others look. 

[Phantom of London]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 4:32pm

So now we are in a day and age where people don't care what they wear to the theatre, so is it fine for me to go in my Spiderman suit, that has the arse cut out?

[trpguyy]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 4:39pm

Phantom of London said: "So now we are in a day and age where people don't care what they wear to the theatre, so is it fine for me to go in my Spiderman suit, that has the arse cut out?"

As long as you accompany it with sandals and black socks. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 8/3/16 at 6:26pm

PThespian said: "Hogan I fear you are misunderstanding me. "

Great, but that's not the impression one gets reading this thread. I think you are misunderstanding what this is about:

1. No one is suggesting a connection between how one dresses and whether one is a good or bad person. It's about whether someone is being "appropriate" or "presentable."

2. No one is suggesting you cannot personally like or prefer or think it would be nice etc. Privately I laugh with friends at how people are dressed. But that's quite a different thing than publicly (and yes that includes here) spouting an elitist attitude toward dress, and please don't insult us by suggesting you are not doing that. And in your case, it is even worse because of your position (and certainly what you are expressing here is anathema to your employer).

3. Your feelings on how people dress don't matter just as mine don't. But what does matter is how open the invitation is for people to come to the theatre and when folks get the impression they are expected to dress up, you know what that family does? They go to Mme. Tussaud's instead of the theatre. And while After Eight would be delighted to sit amongst people who look like characters from Father Knows Best watching an endless loop of Jerry Herman musicals at one of the three remaining Broadway theatres, I think you are able to appreciate why that might not be the best future for the main stem.

[SmoothLover]

Posted: 8/4/16 at 5:48pm

I find that Elizabeth tends to dress like Jane Hathaway. I think some vibrant colors would give her a bit more pizazz. And I have always thought she would be striking as a red head.

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 8/4/16 at 5:54pm

I'd rather sit next to someone in shorts and a t-shirt then some of the way over weight people I've been stuck next to at some shows.

[Bettyboy72]

Posted: 8/4/16 at 6:05pm

She's a twat and dresses for comfort most of the time herself. She also has no idea about how fashion has changed and how theatre has always been a splurge for the working class. 

She also loses cred when her first example is a Penn and Teller audience. What did she expect. The majority of people dress nicely but casually-jeans and a semi dressy top. Some people are having a formal night and some are out with the kids. 

Everyone deserves to have a wonderful time within their means. If I spent $600 to see Hamilton I prob won't be buying an outfit and dinner will prob be a slice of pizza. 

Elizabeth can flake off. 

[SmoothLover]

Posted: 8/5/16 at 12:52am

She just needs to find a good designer.I think she should work with a dominatrix concept without being too literal. She is in good shape and could get away with it.! 

 

[stevie3]

Posted: 8/5/16 at 9:08pm

Dude, you should concern yourself with dressing nice for the Theatre. My advice to all you non dressers: Go sit up in the Balcony so I don't have to see your sloppy sorry asses. The reason you dress like crap is that you feel like crap. Take a shave and put on a collard shirt and nice pants. Is that asking too much. Lets try to keep the theatre a classy place to go. We don't want to be surrounded by Yahoos

[dramamama611]

Posted: 8/5/16 at 9:12pm

If what others wear bothers you so much, perhaps you should stay home.

[trpguyy]

Posted: 8/5/16 at 10:24pm

stevie3 said: "Take a shave and put on a collard shirt and nice pants.

"

Like, a collard green shirt?

 

If you read that post in a Donald Trump voice, it makes a lot more sense. 

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 8/6/16 at 2:21pm

I agree with her 100%. This topic regarding attire to theater has been brought up many times and I have admitted I am old school. 90% of the time I will attend the show dressed up (jacket tie etc) and my casual attire is no tie - lol.  When I first went to a Broadway show it was considered a special event and a chance to dress up. I actually enjoy dressing up because I have have plenty of other times to be dressing casual. I also love seeing my wife dressed up, see her many times in nursing scrubs etc - lol. 

Like Ms. Vincentelli, if I play tennis at a private club I will have nice tennis clothes on because it is IMO appropriate. When I play on public courts, then I will usually have t-shirt and shorts and not a tennis outfit. I have mentioned before that I was in Sardi's last year for the first time in many years and it made me sad seeing how people were dressed there to have Sunday brunch. Sardi's used to be a place where you wanted to look your best and they would not allow you to not be properly attired.

I understand times have changed and casual dress is the normal way to go in almost any occasion. That being said, I miss the old days when there were certain events that people wanted to look their "Sunday best". I guess the big problem today is the extreme. It is one thing to be dressed business casual it is another to look like a slob in public. 

 

 

 

[dramamama611]

Posted: 8/6/16 at 2:27pm

I don't think anyone is championing "the slob", but it seems like some people simply like to judge.

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 8/6/16 at 3:29pm

"I don't think anyone is championing "the slob", but it seems like some people simply like to judge."

I have not read all the posts so I don't know if they are judging or just voicing their personal opinion. People can wear whatever they want unless a place has a dress code which is very rare in today's world. 

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 8/6/16 at 5:13pm

yankeefan7 said: ""where you wanted to look your best "

I think the disconnect is that you are imposing your sense of "best" on someone else. I very rarely if ever dress like a slob but I also happen to feel incredibly stupid "dressed up" as if I were meeting Georgie Jessel for drinks at Sardi's. As I have said before, if you think you are not judging folks, imagine if your grandfather beat you for leaving the house without chaps. 

[yankeefan7]

Posted: 8/6/16 at 8:29pm

"I think the disconnect is that you are imposing your sense of "best" on someone else. I very rarely if ever dress like a slob but I also happen to feel incredibly stupid "dressed up" as if I were meeting Georgie Jessel for drinks at Sardi's. "

 

Personally, I am not imposing my will on others. I am just expressing what I do and how I liked it better many years ago. Like I said before, people can wear what they want unless places have a dress code. If you feel incredibly stupid getting dressed up than don't do it. If I enjoy getting dressed up than that is my choice. I think we all get the difference between dressing like a slob and dressing casually.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 8/6/16 at 9:37pm

yankeefan7 said: "Personally, I am not imposing my will on others. I am just expressing what I do and how I liked it better many years ago. Like I said before, people can wear what they want unless places have a dress code. If you feel incredibly stupid getting dressed up than don't do it. If I enjoy getting dressed up than that is my choice. I think we all get the difference between dressing like a slob and dressing casually."

I absolutely support your choice. And I understand you are not "imposing" your will. My point is simply that "best" is relative. If the best someone has is jeans and a tshirt, then I want them to feel good about coming to the theatre. And if someone wants to wear a $500 Givenchy tshirt, a $1500 pair of Balmain ripped jeans and a $500 pair of Prada flip flops to the theatre, that's fine too. If that's what you're saying then great.