Phantom officially a flop?
Phantom officially a flop?
Joined: 12/31/69
Phantom officially a flop?#0
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:28pm
So it made 4 million this weekend to come in 10th place... I know it wasn't a full release--but for a limited release it seemed pretty pervasive--is Phantom officially a flop? more to the (scary) point--does this mean the end of studios risking money on musicals again?
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Swing Joined: 12/27/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#1
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:33pmI honestly doubt it. For one, like you said, it did just come out. Second, hollywood is on too much of a musical high right now to completely throw broadway-turned-film to the wind.
re: Phantom officially a flop?#2
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:33pmNo, it's not a flop. Go to boxofficemojo and look at the per-screen numbers. Phantom is doing fine in that department.
re: Phantom officially a flop?#3
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:34pm
Random facts:
1. 'Phantom' had the second highest per screen total of any movie this weekend. That means it did quite well in the theaters where it was showing (which is the only level comparison to be made.) The fact that it is still in limited release has everything to do with where the movie placed in totals vs. movies showing on four or five times as many screens.
2. Lloyd Webber paid for the 'Phantom' movie himself which means no studios put any money into it in the first place.
re: Phantom officially a flop?#4
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:35pmso the movie made four million in one weekend. do you know how long it would take the stage show to even make one million?
re: Phantom officially a flop?#5
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:37pmDidn't Chicago come in 10th place while in limited release? Just the fact that it cracked the top 10 in less than 1,000 theaters is REALLY good.
re: Phantom officially a flop?#6
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:39pmCATS, that has nothing to do with anything and you know it. Theater has an entirely different set of economics than film.
re: Phantom officially a flop?#7
Posted: 12/27/04 at 9:47pmOh come on, it hasn't even opened nation wide yet.
Joined: 12/31/69
re: Phantom officially a flop?#8
Posted: 12/27/04 at 10:03pm
Woah back off--I was just asking a question 
I, for the record, really enjoyed the film and was just a bit disappointed.
I couldn't find the per screen average though--thanks I'll look that up (I agree, that's the true judge of its success)
Even if ALW did fund the full 40 mill tho the studios paid for advertising etc--and if the film does flop nervous producers will see it as a sign
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Broadway Legend Joined: 4/22/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#9
Posted: 12/27/04 at 10:37pmNo - it's just the first weekend, plus it's a limited release. Hopefully, more fans will flock in when they open it in other theaters.
re: Phantom officially a flop?#10
Posted: 12/27/04 at 10:39pmCan it be considered "official" before the film's even had a full release, anyway? Seems a tad premature.
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#12
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:12amYou guys, I think EricMontreal22 just didn't like the movie and so he's hoping it's a flop or trying to make others see it as a possible flop to get poeple on his side.
Joined: 12/31/69
re: Phantom officially a flop?#14
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:15amdid they really spend 40 million dollars on the movie?
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#15
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:19am
Just don't borrow trouble. No sign anywhere of a flop.
Yes, IMDB says 40 million which I think is way too low. Why didn't he just let Warner Bros. make the damn movie and actually do some stuff on location and hire Sam Mendes or Stephen Spielberg to direct.
re: Phantom officially a flop?#16
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:25am$40 million is too low? That's a perfectly good budget for a movie musical, even one as elaborate as this one. Tell me, where do you think expenses were spared? The production values were as gorgeous and elaborate as they come. If the movie failed, it wasn't because of money issues.
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/25/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#17
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:26am
Lay off Eric. He's been a POTO proponent for the longest time (even I remember reading his posts). It's not like he's asking about Wicked or something of substance like that. 
Does anyone have the per screen average? That's the relatively best indicator of a film's success.
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re: Phantom officially a flop?#18
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:28amAnd while Sam Mendes would have been an interesting choice, I can't imagine liking Spielberg for this flick. I think the film would become cheesier and more melodramatic than it already is.
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re: Phantom officially a flop?#19
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:28am
Here, Tiff.
And bronx, the budget of Phantom was $70 million according to this site, which I trust more than IMDB.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 2/25/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#20
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:34amThanks Plum. $6,433 is not bad - not a phenomenal success ($13k + for Fockers? REALLY??) but I think >$4,000 is usually pretty healthy, so POTO would probably not be considered a flop and this stage anyway. (As a side note, it's likely not indicative of POTO's wide-release success because chances are the crowds likely to go - or not go, for that matter - are different than the ones who have already seen the film in limited release.)
"Good luck returning my ass!" - Wilhemina Slater
"This is my breakfast, lunch and f***ing dinner right here. I'm not even f***in' joking." - Colin Farrell
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#21
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:35am
Yeah, ok, at least it wasn't about WICKED or BROOKLYN.
There's a big difference between 40 and 70. Well I don't know. Could one be just the production budget and the other be including distribusion and ads?
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#22
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:36amI mean it's notceable for me that the entire movie is on a set especially the outside scenes and the first outdoor scene you can so tell it's a backdrop of the Paris skyline.
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/25/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#23
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:39amMaybe, but $30m on distribution and ads seems like a lot of dough - someone correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't find there to be an excessive amount of POTO ads (esp. relative to other over-hyped blockbusters like Fockers, Ocean's 12, etc.) but I don't know what the distribution cost should look like. That could be it though.
"Good luck returning my ass!" - Wilhemina Slater
"This is my breakfast, lunch and f***ing dinner right here. I'm not even f***in' joking." - Colin Farrell
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/8/04
re: Phantom officially a flop?#24
Posted: 12/28/04 at 12:57amI saw it this afternoon, and if I had rope with me I would have hung myself right there in the theatre.
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