I teach about the Holocaust for a living, and in my years of doing that I have seen a lot of misguided attempts at satire, to the point where I thought nothing left on earth could shock me.
This managed to do it. Absolute despicable to use the visuals they did in a marketing stunt, let alone the text they added to it.
Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts.
I haven’t seen the show and have waffled based on probably some of the most polarizing reception from friends of mine (like, “I walked out after 10 minutes” to “This is a master class in satire”). I also don’t have a viewpoint either direction with what is going on over in the Middle East since it’s out of my locus of control and shouting on the internet will not make me feel any better or worse.
That being said, holy s#1+. Regardless of context, this is absolutely abhorrent and needs some kind of severe accountability. (Example ahead) It would be like if, after 9/11, “The Producers” marketed themselves with “See? The Nazis don’t seem so bad now, do they?”
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/19
binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racists like Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewish community. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear.
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/9/04
gibsons2 said: "binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
I go to service every Saturday morning. I study Torah. I am very active in my community and the members of my shul regularly condemn them. We pray for innocent Palestinians every week.
there are bad people in all groups. We don't have to let them control the narrative though.
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/19
iluvtheatertrash said: "gibsons2 said: "binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
I go to service every Saturday morning. I study Torah. I am very active in my community and the members of my shul regularly condemn them. We pray for innocent Palestinians every week.
there are bad people in all groups. We don't have to let them control the narrative though."
They do control the narrative though. And you should denounce them publicly, not just in your prayer group. People like Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller who have enormous power in Trumps administration put in danger the lives of all Americans and immigrants who are not white. They don't hide it and they openly call for deportationsand extermination of people they no longer want in this country. I'm chronically online and I've yet to see condemnation.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/27/21
The shows writer Andrew Fox doubling down with "anyone who thinks I am anti-semetic is stupid, I made jokes right after a different shooting happened too" in his Instagram stories in the middle of the night is certainly a choice.
Featured Actor Joined: 10/8/18
gibsons2 said: "binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
Sorry, but I criticize and loathe Miller and Loomer and discuss how awful they are all the time and there is broad agreement in my circle of friends may of whom (including myself) are Jewish. You have NO idea what you are talking about. I find your comment blatantly anti-Semitic.
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/9/04
To suggest the Jewish narrative is controlled by Loomer and Miller is absurd. You clearly don't follow many Jewish orgs on social media. There is a great deal of condemnation from Jewish leaders around the world. My Rabbi's sermons condemning current immigration policies have gone viral.
You do not have the authority with which you speak. And your assertions are offensive.
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/19
Dreamboy3 said: "gibsons2 said: "binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
Sorry, but I criticize and loathe Miller and Loomer and discuss how awful they are all the time and there is broad agreement in my circle of friends may of whom (including myself) are Jewish. You have NO idea what you are talking about. I find your comment blatantly anti-Semitic."
Ok. Your response is reactionary and has no factual basis. It doesn't matter what's being discussed in your circle of friends. We have always been vocal about condemnation of terrorism. Please start speaking about fascism perpetuated by the current administration.
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/9/04
1) many of your "we" remain silent about Oct 7 and some even deny the horrors committed by Hamas.
2) to say that no visible Jews publicly speak out against the current admin is a blatant lie and yes, we are reacting to the offensiveness of this anti semitic libel.
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/19
iluvtheatertrash said: "1) many of your "we" remain silent about Oct 7 and some even deny the horrors committed by Hamas.
2) to say that no visible Jews publicly speak out against the current admin is a blatant lie and yes, we are reacting to the offensiveness of this anti semitic libel."
Many of us screamed about horrors of October 7th and supported Jewish people very vocally, marched with them too. Sometimes at the expense of friendships and relationships. Your empty accusations are no longer valid.
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/9/04
And many of us condemn Miller and Loomer regularly. Don't make generalizations and suggest the diaspora is quiet when you don't want them made about the parts of the left that have denied the atrocities of Oct 7.
binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
I really don't agree with Seth's characterization here. Antisemitism is clearly a problem, as this tragedy has demonstrated, but to paint the discourse in these one-sided terms is ignorant and so obviously untenable in the light of UN bodies, international human rights organizations, and even dissent within Israel against their government's actions.
This kind of rhetoric, as well as the tasteless IG post that the Slam Frank team posted, is just another example of the left cannibalizing itself and will just perpetuate the very problems we're all trying to solve.
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gibsons2 said: "b
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
This is absolutely more offensive and plainly antisemitic that the nonsense posted by Slam Frank.
I dont think any demographic groups vote more reliably against Trumpism than Black women and Jews, and even if they didnt, the suggestion that "more need to speak up" is not something youd ever ever hurl at any other minority, each and every which one having plenty of Trumpists amongst them. Shameful.
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/9/04
Thank you, pipinghot....
Leading Actor Joined: 1/1/22
BoringBoredBoard40 said: "The shows writer Andrew Fox doubling down with "anyone who thinks I am anti-semetic is stupid, I made jokes right after a different shooting happened too" in his Instagram stories in the middle of the night is certainly a choice."
Making light of any shooting just makes you a bad person.
gibsons2 said: “We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
Exactly, you can’t blame anti-semitic violence on those of us who refuse to get in bed with nazis.
It’s a very troubling moment but one thing could make it better, if all parties denounced extra-judicial kidnappings and killings, particularly of civilians.
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/9/04
sinister teashop said: "gibsons2 said: “We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
Exactly, you can’t blame anti-semitic violence on those of us who refuse to get in bed with nazis.
It’s a very troubling moment but one thing could make it better, if all parties denounced extra judicial kidnappings and killings, particularly of civilians."
AGAIN: Jews regularly speak out about it. Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Jewish leaders have gone viral for speeches condemning Trump's admin.
Your denial of this and suggestion that we are all silent and complicit in it is offensive, and yes, anti-Semitic.
Featured Actor Joined: 10/8/18
gibsons2 said: "Dreamboy3 said: "gibsons2 said: "binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
Sorry, but I criticize and loathe Miller and Loomer and discuss how awful they are all the time and there is broad agreement in my circle of friends may of whom (including myself) are Jewish. You have NO idea what you are talking about. I find your comment blatantly anti-Semitic."
Ok. Your response is reactionary and has no factual basis. It doesn't matter what's being discussed in your circle of friends. We have always been vocal about condemnation of terrorism. Please start speaking about fascism perpetuated by the current administration."
I think others have already pointed out the hollowness of your points. Calling out anti-semitism isn’t contingent on Jews criticizing fascists who happen to be Jewish. I’ve marched against fascists and right wing extremism for decades including against Trumpism over the past 12 years.
it's funny to me that their post was essentially pro-israel/zionist, in that it was spoofing overweening tumblrfied leftist identity politics ("unalived folx") and the way those are used in pro-palestine discussions, but because it's such a dark joke in such a hyper-specific format that's leveraging a real tragedy that literally just happened, it's sparking the exact kind of infighting and linguistics-warfare that the show mocks
really i expect nothing less from 2025 and yet i am still consistently surprised. the world is full of wonders.
Leading Actor Joined: 1/1/22
Charley Kringas Inc said: "it's funny to me that their post was essentially pro-israel/zionist, in that it was spoofing overweening tumblrfied leftist identity politics ("unalived folx") and the way those are used in pro-palestine discussions, but because it's such a dark joke in such ahyper-specific format that's leveraging a real tragedy that literally just happened, it's sparking the exact kind of infighting and linguistics-warfare that the show mocks
really i expect nothing less from 2025 and yet i am still consistently surprised. the world is full of wonders."
Actually, making that post before the 16 victims, including a child, are even buried, is in the worst taste.
Chorus Member Joined: 3/25/15
Jordan Catalano said: "I loved this show - truly. One of my favorite things I saw all year and have been talking about it non stop.
THAT SAID. Forthis to be posted today, the first night of Hanukkah, mocking a massacre of Jews that included A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR - as a Jew, my blood is boiling even more than it has been all day. I’m sure they’ll come out and issue some sort of an apology but I don’t think there’s an apology heartfelt enough to make me give a **** about anything else they ever have to say."
Yeah, sometimes it's ok to just do something and ask forgiveness afterwards. This is not one of those times. No apology will ever be enough. I don't know much about this show, except for what I have read/heard, but pushing the envelope to make a point, still has a line. They crossed that line, and then some.
Chorus Member Joined: 3/25/15
gibsons2 said: "binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
We do speak up, but it gets increasingly difficult when openly fascist and racistslike Laura Loomer and Stephen Miller aren't denounced by the Jewishcommunity. They are openly calling for extermination of all immigrants and have Trump's ear."
Please trust me when I say there are many, many of us who do speak up against the openly racist and facist out there. They do not represent many of us. What I wish is that people would stop hating on me simply because I am Jewish and actually ask me my thoughts on everything. They might be surprised that my view isn't simply black or white. Back to Broadwayworld appropriate content...What is black and white is that we should all condemn a Broadway company that uses their platform to further the hate, even in the name of satire/art.
Understudy Joined: 12/27/17
binau said: "Seth Rudetsky:
For all the "I'm not anti-Jewish, I'm anti-Ziomist" people. It is the same. It is Jew hate. The lies, the misinformation, the twisting of the truth, the FALSE claims of "genocide", "open air prison", "apartheid"...all LIES by the way, have led to a massive surge of worldwide violence against Jews.
These lies been funded by Russia and Iran and others and have taken over social media... and people on the left belive it blindly and think they are freedom fighters, when they're actually falling for the same tricks the Right used when it demonized the Black Lives Matters movement and demonizes trans people and immigrants.
I am begging, I am BEGGING people to speak up. The majority of people on the left whom I've been fighting with side-by-side for 30 years, have been silent. SILENT!!!Or actually posting these lies. It is traumatizing my fellow Liberal Jews. It is KILLING PEOPLE. LITERALLY.
Speak the **** up. If you need information, reach out to me and I will connect you with people who actually know non-partisan facts."
"Funded by Russia and Iran"? No, it isn't and this post is deranged. The equating of anti-semitism and anti-Zionism, coupled with the genocide in Gaza is what is fueling anti-semitism across the globe, not to mention the impetus for people like Bari Weiss to be promoted into the public sphere. Seth needs to stick to kissing celebrities asses and stop using a tragedy like Bondi Beach to promote blatant falsehoods.
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