The 78th Annual Tony Award Nominations for 2025- Page 8

[KarenValentine'sheadband]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:19pm

JSquared2 said: "KarenValentine'sheadband said: "Sad they just can't bend its rules and add more nominations to a categories when it's needed. This has been a seasonfull ofgreat shows. Adding a few more nominations here and there couldn't have hurt."



The only thing adding more nominees would accomplish is to split the votes of a relatively small group of voters even more so.

 

And that's a bad thing? If they are all deserving then the one with the most votes wins. 
"

 

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:23pm

CoffeeBreak said: "WiCkEDrOcKS said: "I also think the narrativebehind MHE helps its odds.It’s an entirely original musical that debuted on Broadway. It weathered the storm of dismalinitial sales and survived the doldrums of winterto become a hit with both critics and audiences. It truly is the “little show that could.”


It's no longer the "little show that could". That's DEAD OUTLAW with it's trajectory making its way upward monetarily and in word of mouth. Also MHE in NO WAY debuted on Broadway. It debuted in Seoul directed Kim Dong-yeon at Lifeway Hall. It had multiple Japanese performances. These productions were the guiding posts/visual "inspirations" - and visually similar, in many ways, to the Broadway production. A film was also made prior to the Broadway production. The Arden directed production happened after all of these productions ANDhis first at theAlliance in Atlanta - all before Broadway.

DEAD OUTLAW has had only one production, premiering off-Broadway a year ago, 2024 with original musical, book and cast all transferring to Broadway. The show has had only one single director, David Cromer and no other productions to draw from. It's the most original and now the little show that could."

Okay, so it technically debuted on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. I’m sure the Tony voters all saw the Seoul or Japan productions. 🙄 

The Atlanta production ran for one month, right before the entire world shut down. Any momentum it had from that brief run has since been squashed. 

My point still stands. 

And DEAD OUTLAW’s opening wasn’t even a full seven days ago. How can you say it’s experienced an upward trajectory in grosses (when they haven’t even been released yet, post opening) or WOM (when everything I’m seeing / hearing / reading seems decidedly mixed)…? 

The horse isn’t just dead, it’s an unrecognizable bloody pulp at this point. Lord. 

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 02:23 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:24pm

KarenValentine'sheadband said: "Sad they just can't bend its rules and add more nominations to a categories when it's needed. This has been a seasonfull ofgreat shows. Adding a few more nominations here and there couldn't have hurt."

The rules don't need to be bent- they allow for categories to expand if there has been a tie in nomination votes. Potential nominees simply did not have the votes for that to happen in most of these categories. That seems eminently fair to me.

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 02:24 PM

[JSquared2]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:28pm

KarenValentine'sheadband said: "JSquared2 said: "KarenValentine'sheadband said: "Sad they just can't bend its rules and add more nominations to a categories when it's needed. This has been a seasonfull ofgreat shows. Adding a few more nominations here and there couldn't have hurt."



The only thing adding more nominees would accomplish is to split the votes of a relatively small group of voters even more so.



And that's a bad thing? If they are all deserving then theone withthe most votes wins.
"

It's the equivalent of having third party candidates running for office.  We don't need a "Jill Stein" to syphon off votes from the most worthy nominees.

 

[KarenValentine'sheadband]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:35pm

JSquared2 said: "KarenValentine'sheadband said: "JSquared2 said: "KarenValentine'sheadband said: "Sad they just can't bend its rules and add more nominations to a categories when it's needed. This has been a seasonfull ofgreat shows. Adding a few more nominations here and there couldn't have hurt."



The only thing adding more nominees would accomplish is to split the votes of a relatively small group of voters even more so.



And that's a bad thing? If they are all deserving then theone withthe most votes wins.
"

It's the equivalent of having third party candidates running for office. We don't need a "Jill Stein" to syphon off votes from the mostworthy nominees.



I wouldn't think Helen Shen is the equivalent of Jill. 

 

[bear88]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:38pm

djoko84 said: "Does anyone think the producers should've petitioned Shen as featured actress? I think she would've definitely been nominated. Not sure about a win, but definitely a nomination."

I don’t think such a petition would have worked. Shen was an above-the-title lead in Maybe Happy Ending for a reason. I understand why she got squeezed out in the stacked Best Actress in a Musical category to flashier performances by big-name performers (and one newcomer who was its show’s title character) but the show doesn’t work without Shen’s humor and sadness. Her character is different from Criss’ character because, as a more advanced model of robot, she can easily pass as human. That drives the entire story.

I don’t think of Maybe Happy Ending as the Darren Criss show with Shen along for the ride. It’s both of their stories.

[Papi2013]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:42pm

Where can I read information about the Tony  Nom Committee?    I keep hearing Patti Lupone say she is in it.  I doubt she will vote for Audra.  And she has been photgraphed in other shows but not Real Women Have Curves.  Was she suppose to see all of them?  Just curious. 

[Kad]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:45pm

Papi2013 said: "Where can I read information about the Tony Nom Committee? I keep hearing Patti Lupone say she is in it. I doubt she will vote for Audra. And she has been photgraphed in other shows but not Real Women Have Curves. Was she suppose to see all of them? Just curious."

This the 24-25 nomination committee. LuPone was not a nominator- she is likely one of the 800+ voters.

[Papi2013]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:48pm

Kad said: "Papi2013 said: "Where can I read information about the Tony Nom Committee? I keep hearing Patti Lupone say she is in it. I doubt she will vote for Audra. And she has been photgraphed in other shows but not Real Women Have Curves. Was she suppose to see all of them? Just curious."

This the 24-25 nomination committee. LuPone was not a nominator- she is likely one of the 800+ voters."

Got it.  But not what she said in that Clooney thing. 

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 2:53pm

To me, the irony is that the Leading Actress in a Musical category this year was far more competitive than Leading Actor in a Musical. If there were a category that needed a sixth slot, I would've thought it would've been Leading Actress. But, assuming Shen was in the No. 6 slot, she apparently wasn't close enough in votes to whoever was No. 5. And Shen's role in ''Maybe Happy Ending'' just isn't as flashy as the women who did get nominated. Still, I would've loved to see BOTH categories have six nominees. 

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 02:53 PM

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:06pm

Vulture:

Tony Nominees 2025: Biggest Snubs and Surprises

Theatrical Snobbery Lives On for the 2025 Tony Nominees

https://www.vulture.com/article/tony-nominees-2025-biggest-snubs-and-surprises.html

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:11pm

NYT:

Tony Nominations Snubs and Surprises: ‘Othello’ Misses, Clooney Scores

Ensemble-driven plays like “Purpose” and “English” received a slew of nominations, while Denzel Washington, Jake Gyllenhaal and Idina Menzel were overlooked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/01/theater/tony-nomination-snubs-othello.html

 

 

Tony Award nominations 2025: Full list of nominees, snubs, surprises

George Clooney and Sarah Snook are among the honorees, while Audra McDonald makes history, and Jake Gyllenhaal and Denzel Washington of “Othello” miss out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/theater/2025/05/01/tony-award-nominations-2025-list/


 

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 03:11 PM

[BCfitasafiddle]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:12pm

Of the Best Musical noms, Dead Outlaw takes it. IMO.

Sunset Blvd for Revival, Actress, Director.

Purpose for Play, but my heart gives it to English.

Play Revival - Eureka Day.

[singerunlimited]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:18pm

Now that the noms are officially out, who do we think will take Best Actor in a Musical this year?

[broadway86]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:27pm

singerunlimited said: "Now that the noms are officially out, who do we think will take Best Actor in a Musical this year?"

My gut is going with Jeremy. Not only is a beloved performer whose had a number of acclaimed turns, but I also just think he's clearly the best of the group. It's a beast of a role and he performs it with piercing emotion.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:30pm

"Now that the noms are officially out, who do we think will take Best Actor in a Musical this year?"

I think it will be Jeremy Jordan although I am really rooting for Darren Criss.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:30pm

singerunlimited said: "Now that the noms are officially out, who do we think will take Best Actor in a Musical this year?"

I’d vote for Jeremy (with Tom a close runner-up), but I think it’ll ultimately go to Darren Criss. 

*Bracing myself for CoffeeBreak to sh*t a brick*

My initial gut picks to win (musical performances) are Nicole, Darren, Natalie, and Jak. 

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 03:30 PM

[Kulisse]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:37pm

WiCkEDrOcKS said: "CoffeeBreak said: "WiCkEDrOcKS said: "I also think the narrativebehind MHE helps its odds.It’s an entirely original musical that debuted on Broadway. It weathered the storm of dismalinitial sales and survived the doldrums of winterto become a hit with both critics and audiences. It truly is the “little show that could.”


It's no longer the "little show that could". That's DEAD OUTLAW with it's trajectory making its way upward monetarily and in word of mouth. Also MHE in NO WAY debuted on Broadway. It debuted in Seoul directed Kim Dong-yeon at Lifeway Hall. It had multiple Japanese performances. These productions were the guiding posts/visual "inspirations" - and visually similar, in many ways, to the Broadway production. A film was also made prior to the Broadway production. The Arden directed production happened after all of these productions ANDhis first at theAlliance in Atlanta - all before Broadway.

DEAD OUTLAW has had only one production, premiering off-Broadway a year ago, 2024 with original musical, book and cast all transferring to Broadway. The show has had only one single director, David Cromer and no other productions to draw from. It's the most original and now the little show that could."

Okay, so it technically debuted on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. I’m sure the Tony voters all saw the Seoul or Japan productions. 🙄

My point still stands.

And DEAD OUTLAW’s opening wasn’t even a fullseven days ago. How can you say it’s experiencedan upward trajectory in grosses (when they haven’t even been released yet, post opening) or WOM (when everything I’m seeing / hearing / reading seems decidedly mixed)…?

The horse isn’t just dead, it’s an unrecognizable bloody pulp at this point. Lord."

You don't understand. It's clearly on a monetary upswing because the week with 8 performances grossed more than the one with 6 performances, which grossed more than the one with 1 performance (lower capacity and ticket averages be damned). Now if they just keep adding more and more performances each week to keep the momentum going, they may yet have it in them to eventually outgross Wicked.

[pablitonizer]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:55pm

WldKingdomHM said: "So what’s next for the Nederlander, Imperial, and Broadhurst?

"

Isn't it "Midnight in the garden of good and evil" musical lined up to open on broadway in 2025? 

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:57pm

Kad said: "You can stop beating that horse, CoffeeBreak. It's dead."

It's not beating a dead horse.  Keeping it real.  Dead Outlaw, Death Becomes Her & Buena Vista Operation Mincemeat (acting writers/team added Hastie) are the only Best Musical noms that are directed and developed by their original directors.  

If awards rules were different MHE could be a revival.  The same could be said for JOHN PROCTOR IS THE VILLAIN.  ENGLISH's original production, that transferred to Broadway, started at the Atlantic and wasn't influenced by other productions/directors work etc.  It actually makes sense EUREKA DAY is a revival.

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 03:57 PM

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 3:59pm

And DEAD OUTLAW’s opening wasn’t even a fullseven days ago. How can you say it’s experiencedan upward trajectory in grosses (when they haven’t even been released yet, post opening) 

They've increased every week thus far.

 

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 4:02pm

BCfitasafiddle said: "Of the Best Musical noms,Dead Outlaw takes it. IMO.

Sunset Blvd for Revival, Actress, Director.

Purpose for Play, but my heart gives it to English.

Play Revival - Eureka Day."

THIS! -- With English for Play.  Jeremy Jordan as lead actor in a musical for FLOYD COLLINS (that vocal and physical performance) or Tom Francis in SUNSET BLVD. for the same reason as Jordan.  They both are pulling off great characters, vocals and physical performances for over two hours.

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 04:02 PM

[pupscotch]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 4:19pm

singerunlimited said: "Now that the noms are officially out, who do we think will take Best Actor in a Musical this year?"

I lean toward Tom Francis. Darren's characterization and acting are excellent and I'd love to see him win just as a longtime fan, but man, he just doesn't sound great on that score, which is so surprising because I generally really like his voice. 

[musikman]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 4:32pm

pupscotch said: "singerunlimited said: "Now that the noms are officially out, who do we think will take Best Actor in a Musical this year?"

I leantoward Tom Francis. Darren's characterization and acting are excellentand I'd love to see him win just as a longtime fan, but man, he just doesn't sound great on that score, which is so surprising because I generally really like his voice."

The award is for best actor, not best singer or vocal performance.  Plenty of people who can barely sing have won Tony awards in the past. Sure, he doesn’t sound like John Raitt in MHE, but remember that the role calls for and was directed to employ mostly straight tone without any embellishments. I think

he’s terrific in the role and would be very deserving. 

 

Updated On: 5/1/25 at 04:32 PM

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 5/1/25 at 4:36pm

CoffeeBreak said: "And DEAD OUTLAW’s opening wasn’t even a fullseven days ago. How can you say it’s experiencedan upward trajectory in grosses (when they haven’t even been released yet, post opening)

They've increased every week thus far.

"

The first “week” its grosses were reported, the show had one performance. The following week it had six. And last week, eight. 

Of course the grosses have increased week over week. The performance count has also increased week over week. 

Your claim holds zero water.