#701
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:07pm
Who? Bailey or Autumn?
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#702
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:13pm
but i think that it is easier to teach someone to dance then it is to act and sing. just my opinion.
#703
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:15pm
I think it is too because singing and acting... either you have it or you don't. But ANYONE can dance or learn how if they tried. But some people don't like to try. 
#704
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:15pm
That dance was taught to her in a few hours, with a few hours to rehearse it. The regular practice time for a Broadway replacement is about two weeks. Considering they're all amatuer and this is a BIG role, they will most likely have more time. If Autumn does win, she will have plenty of time to learn the thirty seconds of tap dancing in the show.
#705
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:37pm
Bailey totally wins it. that clip is clearly a HIGHLY synthesized Bailey. God be with her as she ruins her voice over the next few months.
poo - i was rooting for Autumn. Ah wells.
Listening to Autumn's stuff on her website makes me think that she needs to go in for this Spider-Man call. Both she and Celina, methinks, could make great Mary Janes.
Oh, nevermind just re-read they want tinker-tots for the roles.
What IS this trend of having (literally) CHILDREN headline on Broadway and destroy their voices? Didn't we learn from Rent? Now we've got 14-21 year olds headlining Spring Awakening, Legally Blonde, Rent, and soon, Spider-Man.
craziness, I tells ya.
poo - i was rooting for Autumn. Ah wells.
Listening to Autumn's stuff on her website makes me think that she needs to go in for this Spider-Man call. Both she and Celina, methinks, could make great Mary Janes.
Oh, nevermind just re-read they want tinker-tots for the roles.
What IS this trend of having (literally) CHILDREN headline on Broadway and destroy their voices? Didn't we learn from Rent? Now we've got 14-21 year olds headlining Spring Awakening, Legally Blonde, Rent, and soon, Spider-Man.
craziness, I tells ya.
#706
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:39pm
What 14-21 year olds are in RENT?
#707
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:42pm
Also, I wouldn't want to see Autumn "faking" the 'legal jargen (sp?)' part of What You Want. How can you fake something on Broadway? All I see her doing is improvising. If she did win the part of Elle and that spotlight were on her doing the shuffle, I would be totally embarrassed! Trying to fake it in front of the entire audience. Get real!
I really don't think people are going to go "OMGIGOD she isn't tapping, SHE SHOULD BE TAPPING, this show is ruined because she couldn't do the 15 seconds of tap, FOR SHAME!!!" Choreography CAN BE CHANGED, do you understand that?
I really don't think people are going to go "OMGIGOD she isn't tapping, SHE SHOULD BE TAPPING, this show is ruined because she couldn't do the 15 seconds of tap, FOR SHAME!!!" Choreography CAN BE CHANGED, do you understand that?
#708
Posted: 7/16/08 at 6:44pm
Now we've got 14-21 year olds headlining Spring Awakening, Legally Blonde, Rent, and soon, Spider-Man.
Spring Awakening is about teenagers. Why wouldn't you want teenagers starring in the show?
Spring Awakening is about teenagers. Why wouldn't you want teenagers starring in the show?
#709
Posted: 7/16/08 at 7:01pm
Maybe I would prefer Autumn to Bailey just because I'm such a stickler for good vocals.
Anyway, I think that you're being a little too generalizing. It depends on the performer ability and training more than the performer's age. Remember that 17-year-old who played Christine in Phantom?
Anyway, I think that you're being a little too generalizing. It depends on the performer ability and training more than the performer's age. Remember that 17-year-old who played Christine in Phantom?
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#710
Posted: 7/16/08 at 7:01pm
"What IS this trend of having (literally) CHILDREN headline on Broadway and destroy their voices? Didn't we learn from Rent? Now we've got 14-21 year olds headlining Spring Awakening, Legally Blonde, Rent, and soon, Spider-Man."
Please tell me one person, in this age range who has "ruined their voice"
"Spring Awakening is about teenagers. Why wouldn't you want teenagers starring in the show"
Exaclty. I mean, Patti LuPone can't play Wendla. XD
Please tell me one person, in this age range who has "ruined their voice"
"Spring Awakening is about teenagers. Why wouldn't you want teenagers starring in the show"
Exaclty. I mean, Patti LuPone can't play Wendla. XD
#711
Posted: 7/16/08 at 7:03pm
It isn't really tap dancing unless you are wearing tap shoes. Elle does what is called "soft shoe". Soft shoe is much easier to "fake" as Autumn put it because you aren't required to make any sounds. You just have to look like you are making them.
#712
Posted: 7/16/08 at 7:27pm
Remember that 17-year-old who played Christine in Phantom?
You mean the one who recorded her voice & lip-synched to it the entire movie?
You mean the one who recorded her voice & lip-synched to it the entire movie?
#713
Posted: 7/16/08 at 7:32pm
There was a girl in London who played/understudied the role when she was 16 if I recall. Amy Nuttall I think?
#714
Posted: 7/16/08 at 7:41pm
"Now we've got 14-21 year olds headlining Spring Awakening, Legally Blonde, Rent, and soon, Spider-Man."
Regarding Spider-Man, at the beginning of the movie, aren't Peter and Mary Jane in their senior year of high school? So what's wrong with someone who is 16-20 (which is what they recommended for the casting call) playing in those roles. As long as they don't look too young, I don't see what is wrong with it.
Regarding Spider-Man, at the beginning of the movie, aren't Peter and Mary Jane in their senior year of high school? So what's wrong with someone who is 16-20 (which is what they recommended for the casting call) playing in those roles. As long as they don't look too young, I don't see what is wrong with it.
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#715
Posted: 7/16/08 at 8:14pm
Obviously I meant Amy Nuttall. Emmy Rossum was younger than 17 and I can't stand her "singing."
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#716
Posted: 7/16/08 at 8:53pm
That may be but Amy didn't do the role 8 times a week.
#717
Posted: 7/16/08 at 9:12pm
Christine is still a very vocally demanding role and she handled it just fine.
There are young singers out there who are ruining their voices and Bailey will become one of them if she ends up playing Elle, but you shouldn't decry people having been cast just because they're under the age of 22. There are plenty of young singers out there with great technique.
I remember a conversation similar to this in an opera community. Someone said never to sing Verdi until the age of 30, and another person responded, "Because the enzyme that lets you sing Verdi doesn't activate until you're 30 years old."
There are young singers out there who are ruining their voices and Bailey will become one of them if she ends up playing Elle, but you shouldn't decry people having been cast just because they're under the age of 22. There are plenty of young singers out there with great technique.
I remember a conversation similar to this in an opera community. Someone said never to sing Verdi until the age of 30, and another person responded, "Because the enzyme that lets you sing Verdi doesn't activate until you're 30 years old."
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#718
Posted: 7/16/08 at 9:35pm
Okay. If we insist on judging all these girls, then we should judge them on eqaul grounds. I think Autumn is great. I think she is well trained. But you can't say, change the dance for her, give her a break because she's sick, etc. when you don't cut Bailey any slack. If these were normal auditions, being sick, or not knowing the dance would get you cut. And if your philosophy on "cutting them some slack" holds true, then you need to cut Bailey some slack on her acting, and Rhiannon on her singing.
I think Bailey has given the most consistent auditions. Rhiannon has given the most sincere auditions. Autumn has given the most polished auditions.
But Autumn isn't a strong enough dancer, and didn't even try to get that tap step. Bailey isn't bringing her own take to the role. And Rhiannon has such inconsistent vocals, she couldn't do the show 8 times a week.
I don't think any of them are Broadway ready yet. Hopefully, rehearsals will do some good. But if you give one contestant slack on an area of discipline, then you have to do the same to the rest. That's what I think, at least.
I think Bailey has given the most consistent auditions. Rhiannon has given the most sincere auditions. Autumn has given the most polished auditions.
But Autumn isn't a strong enough dancer, and didn't even try to get that tap step. Bailey isn't bringing her own take to the role. And Rhiannon has such inconsistent vocals, she couldn't do the show 8 times a week.
I don't think any of them are Broadway ready yet. Hopefully, rehearsals will do some good. But if you give one contestant slack on an area of discipline, then you have to do the same to the rest. That's what I think, at least.
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Updated On: 7/16/08 at 09:35 PM
#719
Posted: 7/16/08 at 10:24pm
Really good post sleepyguy!
#720
Posted: 7/17/08 at 12:10am
Ok. heres what I have found. On wikipedia Autumn is shown in the touring cast as Vivienne. lauren is also shown as elles understudy at ensemble member. Baileys sister has posts on her my space that I actually saw with my own eyes from several of her friends that she is leaving for NYC on the 22nd to see her sister! Its wierd that she would go when the show premieres with new cast if Bailey is not in it. Im guessing due to all of this that bailey did in fact win. I agree non of them seemed ready but they have had weeks of coaching and rehearsing. We will probably be surprized at how far she has come. There was also a glitch when her single so much better was pre released and we were able to hear it. It sure sounded like bailey not autumn or rhiannon. It was taken down almost as soon as it was put up. Now there are notices that state it will be available on the 22nd. HMMMMMM....
#721
Posted: 7/17/08 at 12:12am
that is a good post - maybe it's because I can't dance to save my life but I'd rather take Autumn's iffy dancing over Bailey's mediocrity. She's terrific when she's got to be spirited and cute, but her title ballad and "Ohmygod" were just...bland, as someone said. Classic case of displaying instead of showing something from your gut. To me, energy rules all and even when Autumn's inconsistent in some ways, I feel that her energy is always there. And it's not like Autumn is incapable of singing the show. Plus, she's original and brings a uniqueness.
It's a shame, Lauren was just growing on me. I DO hope all of the 4 finalists get cast in the Tour or on Broadway. They're all very talented in some way or another.
It's a shame, Lauren was just growing on me. I DO hope all of the 4 finalists get cast in the Tour or on Broadway. They're all very talented in some way or another.
#722
Posted: 7/17/08 at 12:15am
Once again, that's Wiki. You can't really go by that. Also that would be really odd for Autumn to be the tour Vivienne. She's so small and tiny some of the lines wouldn't really make so sense. Plus she's so bubbly and silly that Vivienne is really not a good choice for her. I hope she is really getting Becky's track if not she would be great in the Kate/Chutney track.
#723
Posted: 7/17/08 at 12:37am
Wiki also lists Kerry Ellis as being Elle Woods in London...
So take from that what you will.
So take from that what you will.
#724
Posted: 7/17/08 at 12:54am
That message on Bailey's sister's Facebook is astonishing if it's indeed true. I have a cousin who won a reality show, and his own mom (who is pretty much his best friend) didn't know he won until the moment actually aired on TV. He would have owed the network/producers of his show ten million dollars if the news of his win had gotten out before the show aired according to the confidentiality agreement. I don't think any of this is true - even if it is actually on her Facebook, it may be a decoy post.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
Updated On: 7/17/08 at 12:54 AM
#725
Posted: 7/17/08 at 3:10am
OMG ELLE IS NOT A "TAP" ROLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so sick of people being like Autumn can't do the "tap". It is like 10 seconds long and half of the people that see the damn show don't get the joke anyway. Jeez. Peggy Sawyer is a "tap" role not Elle Woods.
I am so sick of people being like Autumn can't do the "tap". It is like 10 seconds long and half of the people that see the damn show don't get the joke anyway. Jeez. Peggy Sawyer is a "tap" role not Elle Woods.
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