The Wiz at a ... white HS- Page 6

[raphael06]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 5:30pm

"If you accept Maria von Trapp singing from a mountaintop and having proficiency in puppetry (which to my knowledge, she didn't) then you have NO argument."

I would just like to say that I DO sing from mountaintops so who is to say that the real Maria did not? :)

[Ourtime992]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 5:49pm

I have no problem with an all white high school doing The Wiz. It would be nice if the person directing the show gave a little historical background and educated the students that the show was originally performed with an all black cast and why that was important at the time.

How dare you offer an informed and rational opinion right in the middle of this flame war?!

[Ofayer]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 5:50pm

Enough already!

There are shows for the blacks Dreamgirls, Color Purple, The Wiz. And there are show for Americans, Sound of Music, Oklamhoma, Drowsey Chaperone.

It is stupid to have black people play Americans and visa versa. That is why Chorus Line and 110 in the shade are unbearable to watch.

End of story.

[LostLeander]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 5:55pm

Get a life.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 5:56pm

Oh wow, Ofayer, you're SO original!

[Ofayer]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 6:00pm

Hey, don't get pissed of because I'm right.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 6:06pm

No, I'm not getting pissed, because I know your an idiotic troll, and your accound will eventually be deleted.

[Ofayer]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 6:12pm

Probably will be deleted because fake "free speech" liberals like you do nothing but whine.

Seems to me that the fake- free speechers should be the ones to get a life.

[LifeofTheParty2]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 6:17pm

WOW...remember when this thread was about The Wiz?

I don't think there's a huge deal, it's just a high school. And I get that it's easier to produce. But I will say that I find it...troublesome. Not enough to get up in arms, or freak out. But something within me would not sit quite right at an all white production of The Wiz.

I guess everyone's a little bit racist.

Oh, PS- Yeah.....African Americans aren't Americans? Wow. Something tells me Ofayer has a little jungle fever that he's still trying to talk himself out of.

[Ofayer]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 6:20pm

Am I being called racist? I'm not. A lot of my friends are blacks.

[Fenchurch]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 6:48pm

Just ignore the troll, people.

I like how someone equated black neighborhoods with hostile environments.

heh.

[fairygodmother]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 7:09pm

don't put words into my mouth. i said predominantly black and hostile, but didn't equate the two. i could have just as easily have said predominantly white and hostile. it wouldn't have made sense with my argument, but i could have said it. i have lived in many areas, some are easy and some are hard. this one is hard. it just happens to be predominantly black and the problems i have faced in terms of reverse racism are purportrated by some black people in that neighbourhood.
sorry to have jumped off-thread, but fenchurch gets my back up. and i am ignoring the idiot with the horrific comments.
i've said my bit about the wiz (i've got a whole week coaching on yet another version next week) - I still don't see the problem with an all-anything cast, as long as its done with style and talent. i don't see how it should "sit wrong" with someone, but if it makes you feel taht way then that's your opinion and that's fine. I just don't like being told what I should or shouldn't feel.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 8:49pm

Thanks Ourtime...it's been awhile since I've been called rationale or informed.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 5/24/07 at 9:51pm

Fenchurch, I don't want to argue with you anymore. You frighten me.

Erik - That is a wonderful idea and hopefully is taken into consideration by the directors who put on The Wiz with students of any race.
Cut dog btw.

[Switz78]

Posted: 5/29/07 at 9:55pm

Fenchurch:I'm sorry, people who fetishize the need for REALISTIC portrayals of humanity should also be complaining that people are spontaenously breaking into song.

If you can suspend your disbelief for that, then you should be able to suspend your disbelief enough to acccept a black woman playing Maria. Otherwise, you're a racist.

End of story.


Ummmmm. what the hell are you talking about? Apply this to everything then. How many 300lb ingenue's have you seen, or better yet let's cast a 6ft tall Little Sally in Urinetown, when she is supposed to be a kid, or a 65yr old as 20yr old Millie. It all works both ways. Hell I was just told I was too tall to play a character that should have no height restriction on it for any reason, but it does because the producers see it a certain way. What group can I call to out them on the heightism.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 5/29/07 at 9:58pm

HA it's back!!


Switz I'd be careful if I were you. Fenchurch will not be happy.

:-P

[Switz78]

Posted: 5/29/07 at 10:03pm

AnnaK- I just thought we should point out that all types of people are discriminated against on a daily basis.

What's with Ofayer calling people black and American? Are Americans only white and therefore the African-Americans are not American? Color me confused by that argument.

Oh and Fenchurch just for the record I'd watch an African-American Maria just like I've watched Italian American and Irish American Maria's in West Side.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/29/07 at 10:04pm

switz, Ofayer is just a troll some idiotic/bored poster made up to get a rise out of people. He's not real.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 5/29/07 at 10:28pm

Switz- don't get me wrong. I am all for you bringing that up.

[EdmundOG]

Posted: 5/30/07 at 5:59am

Switz is reminding me of a few years back when an overweight opera star actually sued the opera company for casting a skinny person in a part she thought she was going to get. And knowing opera, it was probably the role of a consumptive teenager or something. Point is, I found it baffling that an actor couldn't accept that her looks were the reason for her not getting a part. It happens to us all.

And I despise when people trot out the "Well, they're singing, so that means we don't have to care about realism" argument. It's lazy. Let's paint them purple and do an all nude production where everyone carries a duck for no reason, then.
Updated On: 5/30/07 at 05:59 AM

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/30/07 at 7:03am

Let's paint them purple and do an all nude production where everyone carries a duck for no reason, then.

Maybe then I would go to the Opera.

[EdmundOG]

Posted: 5/30/07 at 8:10am

"Well, basically there are two sorts of opera,' said Nanny, who had the true witch's ability to be confidently expert on the basis of no experience whatsoever. 'There's your heavy opera, where basically people sing foreign and it goes like "Oh oh oh, I am dyin', oh, I am dyin', oh, oh, oh, that's what I'm doin'", and there's your light opera, where they sing in foreign and it basically goes "Beer! Beer! Beer! Beer! I like to drink lots of beer!", although sometimes they drink champagne instead. That's basically all of opera, reely."

-- (Terry Pratchett, Maskerade)