Time to Cancel Your Disney+- Page 4

[joevitus]

Posted: 9/20/25 at 9:06pm

Seb28 said: "To all the people who are suddenly rioting,what were your actions after the much more serious cancellation of a person (who was slaughtered) last week? What actions did you organize then? Where were your passionate pleas for free speech then? Which organizations did you try to cancel then? Why are you suddenly coming out of your grotto now when a celebrity is being taught a lesson about this problem?"

I think your language demonstrates how little you really care about the hideous reality of murder. I care about murder, and the murder of Charlie Kirk has been denounced by every major liberal commentator/news group/talk show host out there (Kimmel included). We've said for years the gun laws are insane and need to be remedied to keep our citizens safe. It's the right who has fought this toot and nail, including, of course Charlie Kirk who said, "I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

If you aren't a troll and are really upset over his murder and what allowed it to transpire, you'd know all that. It appears you don't. 

Updated On: 9/20/25 at 09:06 PM

[joevitus]

Posted: 9/20/25 at 9:08pm

Glad the boycotts seem to be effective.

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/20/25 at 9:18pm

As I noted in an earlier post, this is the drop in Disney's stock market value this week.  What happens in the weeks to come could continue that path or see a shift in direction.  Boycotts of companies in the past seem to be a mix of both from what I can recall.

Updated On: 9/21/25 at 09:18 PM

[jimmycurry01]

Posted: 9/20/25 at 9:23pm

John Adams said: "Kad said: "No matter what Disney does, it will piss off a large portion of the country and hurt its bottom line"

Jonathan Cohen said: "I 100% think Disney should fight, but it's more complicated for them than the NY Times, who doesn't have affiliate TV stations to worry about, or the MAGA base as subscribers."

I agree with both of you.

I wonder if those folks that so proudly CXLed their Disney+ subscriptions also CXLed their ESPN subscriptions amidst the current football season? If they did, they haven't mentioned it."

Yes, i have canceled it all. Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN are all gone. If Disney wants to cave into the pressure of their affiliates and tick their rails between their legs,  that's on them. I won't stand by them while they do it, We all draw our own lines; you do what's right for you. 

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:36am

Seb28 said: "To all the people who are suddenly rioting,what were your actions after the much more serious cancellation of a person (who was slaughtered) last week? What actions did you organize then? Where were your passionate pleas for free speech then? Which organizations did you try to cancel then? Why are you suddenly coming out of your grotto now when a celebrity is being taught a lesson about this problem?"

The First Amendment offers protection from the government interfering in free speech and the right to peacefully assemble. Charlie Kirk was murdered by someone (we assume) didn't like what he was saying, but it's not a First Amendment issue because it wasn't the government taking away his rights. 

The FCC threatening ABC over what Kimmel says is a First Amendment issue because it is the government policing what people say. 

That said, almost everyone who politically disagreed with him condemned the murder of Kirk. It's just the what-to-do- about conversation usually involves Second Amendment reform, while Kirk supporters feel the solution is more along the lines of just don't criticize them anymore. 

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 6:13am

Jonathan Cohen said: "almost everyone who politically disagreed with him condemned the murder of Kirk. It's just the what-to-do- about conversation usually involves Second Amendment reform, while Kirk supporters feel the solution is more along the lines of just don't criticize them anymore."

I agree with that summation. Seb28's posts constantly prove it to be true. I would ask questions of Seb28 regarding his responses, but that's proven to produce nothing but frustration and aggravation. 

That said, I (personally) neither choose to, nor call for any action to block/ban Seb28. He has, on at least one occasion, said something that I can defend and agree with. I'm grateful I didn't miss that experience. That's MY choice.

RE: CXLing Disney subscriptions (including ESPN), there is research online that indicates the likelihood that the first time the next "Hamilton" comes along, people will suffer from FOMO and re-up their subscription(s). I believe that theory will hold true.

I also believe that the number of outcries that specifically call for, or mention CXLing subscriptions name only Disney+/HULU (it is football season, after all). I'm waiting for the numbers to be published.

Updated On: 9/21/25 at 06:13 AM

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 8:44am

joevitus said: "I care about murder, and the murder of Charlie Kirk has been denounced by every major liberal commentator/news group/talk show host out there (Kimmel included).

We've said for years the gun laws are insane ."

Many on this board were more busy sticking up for the killer, slamming the right and ignoring the facts that were presented by the authorities. That shows a complete lack of understanding the gravity of this murder on their side.

And the "gun laws" are never an excuse. Why are you even trying that at this point? He could have been murdered with any other weapon.

Jonathan Cohen said: "Charlie Kirk was murdered by someone (we assume) didn't like what he was saying, but it's not a FirstAmendment issue because it wasn't the government taking away his rights."

This is about people being more upset about a canceled tv show than a political assassination. And only the latter is about actually silencing people, Kimmel is still alive and can express his opinions wherever he wants. The fact that leftists are only coming out of their grotto now to make noise about silencing people is nauseatingly evil. Also, many advertisers and investors pulled out after his remarks. Affiliates called ABC and said their stations would not carry Jimmy Kimmel's show anymore. Obviously these affiliates are in the half of the country who are republican. Either way, government interference has not been proven, the pulling out of advertisers, investors and affiliates has. So this can never be used as the reason for more riots over the tv-thing than over the killing.

Jonathan Cohen said: "It's just the what-to-do- about conversation usually involves Second Amendment reform, while Kirk supporters feel the solution is more along the lines of just don't criticize them anymore."

This is a form of gaslighting. This is about life-supporters. What to do about it is organizing a great awakening on the left. Teaching them that it is not about "not criticizing" anymore, but about the fact that different opinions should never be answered with murder. And that that is a bigger reason for outcries than over a tv show.

John Adams said: "Seb28 has, on at least one occasion, said something that I can defend and agree with. I'm grateful I didn't miss that experience. That's MY choice.

....that the first time the next "Hamilton" comes along, people will suffer from FOMO and re-up their subscription(s). I believe that theory will hold true."

Thanks John, it's nice to see a bit more character on this board.

I agree with your theory about the subscriptions, their principles don't seem to be very steady in general.

Updated On: 9/21/25 at 08:44 AM

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 12:37pm

[rosscoe(au)]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 12:53pm

Four billion dollar lose in five days is insane. Thankfully some people know the right thing to do. Even in Australia people are canceling Disney in record numbers

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 1:24pm

Seb28 said: "And the "gun laws" are never an excuse. Why are you even trying that at this point? He could have been murdered with any other weapon.

Kirk was shot from a building about 200 yards away. The effective range for hunting with a bow and arrow is between 20 - 60 yards. Of course there's more than one type of weapon that can kill someone, but Tyler Robinson would have had to got much closer without a gun, and it's super unlikely he would have succeeded.  

Seb28 said:  "Affiliates called ABC and said their stations would not carry Jimmy Kimmel's show anymore. Obviously these affiliates are in the half of the country who are republican. Either way, government interference has not been proven, the pulling out of advertisers, investors and affiliates has. So this can never be used as the reason for more riots over the tv-thing than over the killing."

Government interfere is not something that happened behind closed doors, Brendan Carr threatened it in a public interview:  "We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct to take action on Kimmel or, you know, there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead." 

Additionally, no advertiser pulled from Kimmel's show. It wouldn't have been unprecedented, for example The O'Reilly Factor was cancelled in 2017 because of an advertiser boycott over sexual harassment claims. However, Nexstar and Sinclair bailed on Kimmel's show so quickly after Carr's threat, there logistically wasn't time to organize an advertiser boycott.   

Either way, no one has rioted over Kimmel's show being suspended. Canceling Hulu is not a riot.  

Seb28 said: "This is a form of gaslighting. This is about life-supporters. What to do about it is organizing a great awakening on the left. Teaching them that it is not about "not criticizing" anymore, but about the fact that different opinions should never be answered with murder. And that that is a bigger reason for outcries than over a tv show."

There have been over 10,000 deaths from gun related homicides, murders, and unintentional gun use in America in 2025 alone. Charlie Kirk being killed or Trump being shot might matter more politically, but morally all of these deaths are equally a big deal. 

In that sense, there's nothing new going on that the left needs to get woke about. Even political killings specifically isn't something new. Lincoln and JFK were killed by gun violence. Sondheim even wrote a musical on the topic. 

Kirk was not in favor of gun control, but he probably would still be alive today, if meaningful gun control reform had been enacted.  You can theorize Democrats speaking out even more against political violence will save the lives of other Charlie Kirks, but here's the reality of the situation.

The thing Democrats wanted above all else was for people to vote for Kamala Harris last November. Tyler Robinson never voted in any election. Democrats clearly aren't influencing the guy. 

Democrats control no branch of the Federal government. Liberals doing literally anything is not going to be as effective at stopping targeted killings as Republicans finally taking up the issue of meaningful gun control. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 1:40pm

Seb28 said: "joevitus said: "I care about murder, and the murder of Charlie Kirk has been denounced by every major liberal commentator/news group/talk show host out there (Kimmel included).

We've said for years the gun laws are insane ."

Many on this board were more busy sticking up for the killer, slamming the right and ignoring the facts that were presented by the authorities. That shows a complete lack of understanding the gravity of this murder on their side.

And the "gun laws" are never an excuse. Why are you even trying that at this point? He could have been murdered with any other weapon.

Well... I'd have certainly liked to see someone bum rush the stage with a knife to stab him. Like... even if he were able to out run the security and stab him, the probable lethality of a stabbing in a hectic situation like that is far less than a precision shot from someone with a rifle 200 yards away. Please stop playing dumb. 

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:01pm

Jonathan Cohen said: "Kirk was shot from a building about 200 yards away."

TheatreFan4 said: "Well... I'd have certainly liked to see someone bumrush the stage with a knife to stab him. Please stop playing dumb."

Guys, you are missing the point. The point is that "gun laws" are never an excuse. Why are you even trying that at this point? He could have been murdered at any other time and place with any other weapon, from knives to poison to a vehicle to a crossbow.

This attempts of downplaying the murder, to justify the silence and the indifferent attitude (and sometimes even cheering) from the left is wrong.

Jonathan Cohen said: "The thing Democrats wanted above all else was for people to vote for Kamala Harris last November. "

Which is really strange. She literally called for ending free speech. This is a tweet of hers: "Look let's be honest, @realDonaldTrump's Twitter account should be suspended".

And even though the killer might not have voted on anyone, all findings and evidence coming from the authorities is very clear of the motive and mindset of the killer.

In any case, there should always be more uproar about a murder over free speech than about the cancelation of a tv show. The left clearly looks at the opinions of the victim so much that they turn this around, which is alarming.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:04pm

Seb28 said: "Guys, you are missing the point. The point is that "gun laws" are never an excuse. Why are you even trying that at this point? He could have been murdered at any other time and place with any other weapon, from knives to poisonto a vehicle toa crossbow.

You are so unbelievably stupid. 

Updated On: 9/21/25 at 04:04 PM

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:07pm

BrodyFosse123 said: ""

Wow, that's so great of you. What were your actions after the much more serious cancellation of a person (who was slaughtered) 2 weeks ago? What actions did you organize then and which organizations did you cancel then?

And are you going after all the investors and advertisers who pulled out after the remarks too?

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:10pm

I'll bit.  Who was cancelled two weeks ago?  And was this cancellation done by an organization that runs a streaming service one can choose to unsubscribe from?

Updated On: 9/21/25 at 04:10 PM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:11pm

Seb28 said: "And are you going after all the investors and advertiserswho pulled out after the remarks too?"

What advertisers and investors pulled out? I'll wait.

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:15pm

TheatreFan4 said: "Seb28 said: "Guys, you are missing the point. The point is that "gun laws" are never an excuse. Why are you even trying that at this point? He could have been murdered at any other time and place with any other weapon, from knives to poisonto a vehicle toa crossbow.

You are so unbelievably stupid."

Please stop with your ad hominem attacks and wasting your posts on just that. And explain your point in downplaying the murder. His views on gun laws have nothing to do with the fact that someone wanted him dead over his opinions. I urge you to contain your urge of finding excuses for the murder or trying to make it look as if it was his own fault. That's like saying to a girl that got raped "well, unfortunately you chose to wear a short skirt and found that acceptable, so there you go".

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:20pm

EricMontreal22 said: "I'll bit. Who was cancelled two weeks ago? And was this cancellation done by an organization that runs a streaming service one can choose to unsubscribe from?"

In case you hadn't noticed, someone was assassinated over his opinions and free speech. 

It was done by a person involved with many groups and organizations who share his ideas and visions.

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:21pm

TheatreFan4 said: "Seb28 said: "And are you going after all the investors and advertiserswho pulled out after the remarks too?"

What advertisers and investors pulled out? I'll wait."

Nearly all of them. That's a big part of why the show got canceled. That's how television works.

Updated On: 9/21/25 at 04:21 PM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:31pm

Seb28 said: "TheatreFan4 said: "Seb28 said: "And are you going after all the investors and advertiserswho pulled out after the remarks too?"

What advertisers and investors pulled out? I'll wait."

Nearly all of them. That's basically why the show got canceled."

Baby, I'm asking you for what advertisers and investors. Please provide the article you got your information from because the answer you're looking for? Is actually none of them. You made the claim, back it up.

Please stop with your ad hominem attacks and wasting your posts on just that. And explain your point in downplaying the murder. His views on gun laws have nothing to do with the fact that someone wanted him dead over his opinions. I urge you to contain your urge of finding excuses for the murder or trying to make it look as if it was his own fault. That's like saying to a girl that got raped "well, unfortunately you chose to wear a short skirt and found that acceptable, so there you go".

It's not ad hominem, you're just that stupid. 

He didn't choose a car because that's harder and causes mass casualties outside of his intended target. He didn't poison his food because how would he go about getting access to his food? He didn't shoot him with a cross bow because it's inaccurate. He didn't stab him with a knife because how would he have gotten through security with it? He chose a gun because this country makes the easiest the most precise option just so convenient. 

He became a statistic of a right he so defended. I don't think it should have happened, but he did in his own words "It's Worth It."

[JSquared2]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:35pm

Nice to see that the MODS are all on vacation --- again -- while this s**tstorm of a thread continues to go off the rails -- mainly all due to ONE person.

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 4:57pm

TheatreFan4 said: "It's not ad hominem, you're just that stupid.""

It is exactly that. Your post consisted of one personal attack and nothing else. Do you know what "affiliates" means? Other companies, business partners, who are part of their money stream, investing in the company, financed by advertisers. And not only did these affiliates, investors and advertisers pull out, they also fired people who were justifying assassination over free speech. As if he supposedly "deserved it" because of his views. Murder over free speech should alway cause more uproar. Unfortunately some people change principles depending on the views of the victim.

TheatreFan4 said: "I don't think it should have happened, but.........""

These 2 words in one sentence display the chilling problem.

Updated On: 9/21/25 at 04:57 PM

[Seb28]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 5:04pm

JSquared2 said: "Nice to see that the MODS are all on vacation --- again -- while this s**tstorm of a thread continues to go off the rails -- mainly all due to ONE person."

Calm down. It's a discussion board. The only thing they should do is delete your message. It is disrupting a nice discussion. 

Fun fact, what you are doing here, trying to eliminate people is exactly what the discussion is about.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 5:11pm

Seb28 said: "It is exactly that. Yourpost consisted of one personal attack and nothing else. Do you know what "affiliates" means? Other companies, business partners, who are part of their money stream, investing in the company, financed by advertisers. And not only did these affiliates,investors and advertisers pull out, they also fired people who were justifying assassinationover free speech. As if he supposedly "deserved it" because of his views. Murder over free speechshould alway cause more uproar. Unfortunately some people change principles depending onthe views of the victim.

Not one advertiser pulled out from Kimmel's show. The affiliates also not investors in the company. It was from direct pressure of the FCC Chair and you know it. This is far from the crassist thing Kimmel has said about Trump and MAGA to which they did nor react at all because they weren't directed to. Nor was it even about Kirk. 

TheatreFan4 said: "I don't think it should have happened, but.........""

These 2 words in one sentence display the chilling problem."

Did he or did not not say that gun deaths were worth it to keep the second amendment? Did I say something untruthful?

[John Adams]

Posted: 9/21/25 at 5:19pm

Seb28 said: "His views on gun laws have nothing to do with the fact that someone wanted him dead over his opinions."

An argument could be made that his "opinions" included "His views on gun laws".

Seb, when Kirk said, "I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year", what is your opinion on how he defined, "gun deaths"?