Swing Joined: 12/27/17
You can't complain about it if you're unwilling to sacrifice. Make them HURT.
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...and when it asks 'why', choose other and fill in JIMMY KIMMEL.
Chorus Member Joined: 4/27/24
The only way to directly affect the FCC is to elect a Democratic President in 2028, elect a Democratic Congress in 2026, or change the current orientation of the Republican Party.
The boycotts are a personal decision. I cancelled my Amazon Prime and Paramount+ subscriptions. The cost savings are great. I don’t regret it. It also hasn’t stopped those corporations from capitulating to an anti-American administration. I’m stealing my bf’s account to watch the next seasons of Gen V and The Boys. Once this season of South Park has ended I’ll get a free week trial to watch all the new episodes.
Will I cancel my Hulu/Disney+ subscription? I’ll need to check with my dad first, since he uses my account more than I do.
Should I get rid of my iPhone and delete my Apple Music library?
As someone with control issues, I will say something that I learned during the pandemic: the only person you can control is yourself. Therefore, if deleting you Disney+ subscription is part of that, go ahead. Moreover, if I disagree with Scott Rudin, for example, I'm won't buy a ticket to his upcoming show.
Also, I feel like its safe to say that telling this forum to elect Democrates is 8 out of 10 times,is preaching to the choir.
I know there are massive protests planned for Oct 18 and Nov 5, but I wish there was some other one (and sooner than those) specifically protesting the FCC. It is totally frustrating that it feels like there is no tangible, concrete action to take against them. Sure you can post on social media, but do they care? It would feel more immediate if protestors were gathered at their offices.
So instead, as I sit here hoping that our country will survive until the 2026 elections, I have happily canceled my Disney+ subscription. I realize it's not the root of the problem, but as a company, the only way they will change tactics is if they are hit financially. When things are overwhelming, sometimes you just have to focus on the things you can control. I can certainly control my subscription, and my wallet!
"Also, I feel like its safe to say that telling this forum to elect Democrates is 8 out of 10 times,is preaching to the choir."
I don't know, I kind of think maybe now this board of full of closeted trump supporters who secretly want him to be in power. That is the only thing (besides misguided actions from well intended goals) that could explain what has been happening here over the last 5-7 years and especially the last week. If people want Trump to continue his reign and his descendants (e.g. Vance) all I think people need to do is actually continue exactly what they are doing and I guarantee it will happen.
Featured Actor Joined: 9/25/24
In no lifetime will I ever support the cheeto. But how is anyone going to know you still have Disney+ or Hulu or shop at Target unless you directly tell them? Do what you need to do to protect your peace
binau said: ""Also, I feel like its safe to say that telling this forum to elect Democrates is 8 out of 10 times,is preaching to the choir."
I don't know, I kind of think maybe now this board of full of closeted trump supporters who secretly want him to be in power. That is the only thing (besides misguided actions from well intended goals) that could explain what has been happening here over the last 5-7years and especially the last week. If people want Trump to continue his reign and his descendants(e.g. Vance) all I think people need to do is actually continue exactly what they are doing and I guarantee it will happen."
This is very much "Don't upset your abuser otherwise the abuse is going to get worse." You're not describing an actual solution, you're describing coping with abuse. Focus on how they are acting, not how people are reacting.
The way I'd characterise it is more "think through the logical consequences of your behaviour and what outcomes it is likely to achieve, and then ask yourself is that outcome likely to be better or worse than the current position. If worse off, are there perhaps alternatives?"
You can't control how 'they' are acting but you can control how 'you' are acting. It may feel morally justified but that doesn't make it effective.
binau said: "The way I'd characterise it is more "think through the logical consequences of your behaviour and what outcomes it is likely to achieve, and then ask yourself is that outcome likely to be better or worse than the current position. If worse off, are there perhaps alternatives?"
You can't control how 'they' are acting but you can control how 'you' are acting. It may feel morally justified but that doesn't make it effective."
Can you tell me what the inciting incident was for the the ongoing ICE Raids targetting Citizens, permanent residents, and undocumented people? And the inhumane treatment and confinement of deportees both domestically and in international countries at our country's behest? I'll wait.
These are not consequences, these are their plans. They don't need justification. Whether an incident causes them to start doing something newly heinous now as opposed to 6 months from now is immaterial.
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
Just a reminder that Disney isn't the biggest problem here. It's the conservatives who own the station groups who were going to pull Kimmel's show anyway. If you want to do something with real impact:
MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "I know there are massive protests planned for Oct 18 and Nov 5, but I wish there was some other one (and sooner than those) specifically protesting the FCC. It is totally frustrating that it feels like there is no tangible, concrete action to take against them. Sure you can post on social media, but do they care? It would feel more immediate if protestors were gathered at their offices!"
Those of us who have participated in these protests have a wide range of interests. You will see a variety of handmade protest signs (Anti-MAGA, Queer Rights, etc.). I am certain signs protesting the FCC will be on display at the next protests. EVERY SINGLE protest in which we participate is important. Fight The Good Fight !!
I've canceled my Disney+ and cited Bob Iger's cowardice in my decision. Yes, he was driven to the decision by the prospect of Nextar, etc., pre-empting Kimmel's show, but this man has folded like an absolute coward in the face of a wannabe king now on two separate occasions. Disney does not deserve our money.
MemorableUserName said: "Just a reminder that Disney isn't the biggest problem here. It's the conservatives who own the station groups who were going to pull Kimmel's show anyway. If you want to do something with real impact"
Disney is the problem because they're the ones who bent the knee. Let Sinclair do what they want about Kimmel. Let them answer to those communities they serve. Leave them on the hook for their decision instead of allowing your company look like an idiot on their behalf.
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
TheatreFan4 said: "MemorableUserName said: "Just a reminder that Disney isn't the biggest problem here. It's the conservatives who own the station groups who were going to pull Kimmel's show anyway. If you want to do something with real impact"
Disney is the problem because they're the ones who bent the knee. Let Sinclair do what they want about Kimmel. Let them answer to those communities they serve.Leave them on the hook for their decision instead of allowing your company look like an idiot on their behalf."
I said it wasn't "the biggest" problem here, and it's not. He hasn't been fired entirely and the show hasn't been canceled; all reports are they're working to get him back on the air. They are "a" problem, yes (especially if they do ultimately cancel him), and I don't blame anyone for canceling their accounts. But that's not enough; there are more forces at work that need to be pushed back against, ones I would say are bigger problems. Canceling a Disney+ account and sticking it to Disney is not enough without doing something about the FCC or the insidious Sinclair and Nexstar worming their way into local markets and buying up every station to pump conservative propaganda into people's homes. Saying you stuck it to Disney and the local communities can take care of the companies replacing Kimmel with a Kirk puff piece special is insufficient.
MemorableUserName said:Canceling a Disney+ account and sticking it to Disney is not enough without doing something about the FCC or the insidious Sinclair and Nexstar worming their wayinto local markets and buying up every station to pump conservative propaganda into people's homes. Saying you stuck it to Disney and the local communities can take care of thecompanies replacing Kimmel with a Kirk puff piece special is insufficient."
Yes.
Additional info re: the Nexstar deal and why they need to kiss a$$, or their deal is kaput:
In the United States, a television network can own stations that reach no more than 39% of U.S. television households due to Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations. Additionally, local ownership rules generally limit a single entity to owning no more than two stations in the same market, with restrictions on owning multiple top-rated stations.
Additionally:
The FCC also allows for something called the ultra-high-frequency (UHF) discount, which lets stations that broadcast with historically less reliable UHF systems count only 50% of their audience. That means, in theory, a company operating only UHF stations could own channels that reach 78% of U.S. households.
If the Nexstar/Tegna deal goes through, Nextar's percentage would reach 80% of US households.
Nexstar needs the FCC (Brenden Carr) to change the current regulations. If Carr doesn't make the change, NO DEAL IS POSSIBLE as Nexstar would blow past the cap.
Carr is already leaning towards making changes to the regulations, calling them "arcane" and "artificial. Nexstar is kissing Carr's a$$ in hopes of ensuring the outrageously greedy outcome they want.
if you need to CXL something look for ways to CXL Nexstar - not Disney or HULU because you're aiming at the wrong target and I guarantee that your efforts will be in vain. Look at the bigger picture.
PS: the LAST thing America needs right now is bunch of educated, yet under-informed Americans CXLing media outlets. That is exactly what Trump wants, and needs to ensure his dictatorship remains intact. (fewer media outlets for communication).
I am not too proud to beg: Please, PLEASE protect our media outlets by keeping them open and running. AFTER they're secure, we can follow-up to fix their flaws.
John Adams said:
I am not too proud to beg: Please, PLEASE protect our media outlets by keeping them open and running. AFTER they're secure, we can follow-up to fix their flaws."
Bob Iger made this decision. Bob Iger needs to see that it hurts his business. Absolutely, positively cancel anything Disney. Absolutely do not protect those who empower our present authoritarianism. The idea that somehow they'll get back to normal later assumes that there will be a normal later. This is the moment to push back with anything we have. What I had was a Hulu subscription. No more.
Swing Joined: 2/13/25
this is really great, but what does it have to do with broadway?
John Adams said: "PS:the LAST thing America needs right now is bunch of educated, yet under-informed Americans CXLing media outlets. That isexactlywhat Trump wants, and needs to ensure his dictatorship remains intact. (fewer media outlets for communication).
I am not too proud to beg: Please, PLEASE protect our media outlets by keeping them open and running. AFTER they're secure, we can follow-up to fix their flaws."
The Disney Corporation isn't going to crumble because people cancel streaming services. That's just not reality. Disney Plus isn't even profitable, it's a boondoggle of the Pandemic when streaming was the "future" and no media company thought about it for even 2 minutes before jumping all in. Their bad business decisions and moral failings are not our problem. They're chasing money, it's all they ever do. So hurt their money. It's literally the only way to get their attention.
fray3 said: "this is really great, but what does it have to do with broadway?"
In case you haven't noticed, but the OT Board is a bed of tumbleweeds and Disney is a Broadway Producer.
Idiot said: "Bob Iger made this decision."
Nexstar made this decision.
TheatreFan4 said: "The Disney Corporation isn't going to crumble because people cancel streaming services."
I agree that The Disney Corporation will not crumble, but if the streaming service goes away, so will access to shows like (not an all-inclusive list):
binau said: "The way I'd characterise it is more "think through the logical consequences of your behaviour and what outcomes it is likely to achieve, and then ask yourself is that outcome likely to be better or worse than the current position. If worse off, are there perhaps alternatives?""
I blame a lot of the mess we're in now on a failure to punish the Bush administration and definitively turn away from its crimes. Instead, Obama chose to speak of reconciliation and to continue the worst excesses of the previous administration (lifetime imprisonment without trial, drone murders, interminable unwinnable war, global military occupation). An example needed to be set to make sure an out-of-control executive didn't do horrible things ever again - well, if not ever again, then in the foreseeable future.
My point being: unless you can only see a year or two ahead, under-reacting to Trump's abominations is a far bigger risk than over-reacting.
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