Why can Patti Murin tweet about Broadway World but Broadway World can't talk about Patti Murin?

I'd really like a real answer rather than posts being deleted, posters being banned, and moderators locking threads.

What is the fear of talking about Patti Murin on this board?

Why are we a subject that she can lash out at but we aren't allowed to discuss her on this board unless we're saying something 100% positive?

It seems unfair that Broadway World (in particularly, the weekend moderator) is very hell-bent on making sure that nothing besides nice things are said about Murin while Murin can say whatever she'd like about us.

Updated On: 12/9/18 at 06:29 PM

Mods, I will be disappointed (but not surprised) if this inquiry gets deleted. There is no "inappropriate" discussion or "slander" in the above post. It is a genuine question.

Let's just let this go. Patti is a human being, so she is clearly hurt by these forums right now and everyone in this board needs a breather tbh.

She has made it quite clear that she doesn't like what's being said about her here so why does she even waste her time? I don't get it.

Imagine if the energy being put into limiting this discussion right now was the same energy being put into fixing the consistent problems with structure of this forum?

I stated on here—twice—that I believe Murin's wonderful standby is delivering a superior performance as Anna. Both posts were subsequently deleted. Neither of them addressed mental health in the slightest.

Mods, if ^this^ gets deleted, then there's clearly more happening behind the scenes than you say.

I’m going to try to broach this topic from a personal stand point.

I’d first like to say that playing a lead in a Broadway Musical (in some cases) gives you mental health opportunities that others who are suffering could not dream of. The millions of people trying to struggle to make ends meet don’t get mental health days, we get fired for missing work. I’ve been in the hospital twice for trying to kill myself. I lost a job one of those times. Not because of work performance, not because I was losing the company money, but because I missed work due to being in the hospital because I had a mental health emergency. That’s the reality for most people. That’s the reality for almost everyone else who works for Murins parent company, Disney. I watched so many cast members get driven by Disney to the brink of suicide only to lose their jobs once they attempt suicide. Patti Murin is paid very well to work (at max) four hours a day playing the lead in a Broadway Musical. People who have to work 60 hour work weeks for 1/3rd of Patti Murin’s pay don’t get the luxury she gets. That’s not a dig on Patti, that’s a dig on the system.

(I’d also like to say that not myself or anyone made personal attacks on Murin. We asked hard questions and brought up hard talking points)

And I’ll share another personal story:
I played Hedwig in Hedwig and the Angry Inch last year… and it destroyed my (already iffy) mental health. I don’t mean that I went a little bit crazy playing Hedwig. I mean that I came very close to Heath-Ledgering-Out-Of-Here and the production process can best be described by the documentary film Jim and Andy which is streaming on Netflix. I completely lost myself and had an almost successful suicide attempt (to the point where my heart stopped and I was revived by police) when i was dealing with the fallout I’d caused playing Hedwig. This was late 2017/early 2018. It hasn't even been a year since my attempt at taking my life due to the mental strain that acting put on my mental illness.

I had to have a LONG conversation with myself that I didn’t want to have:
Did my mental illness allow me to safely be an actor?
Does acting put my mental state in jeopardy and, in turn, put entire productions I act for in jeopardy?
Even if the ends are justified by the means and I churn out brilliant performances, is it worth it from a personal standpoint?

These were hard discussions that I didn’t even want to let my mind wander into. It is easier and less painful to keep these conversations locked away.

But I had the conversations.
And found that my joy, talent, skills, ideas, and mental state are much better suited for directing and producing.

And I’m much happier because I battled hard conversations.

That’s all I’ll say, without making any implications or drawing any lines.

Updated On: 12/9/18 at 06:57 PM

Sondheimite said: "disneybroadwayfan22 said: "Let's just let this go. Patti is a human being, soshe isclearly hurtby these forums right now and everyone in this board needs a breather tbh."

I’m going to try to broach this topic from a personal stand point.



I’d first like to say that playing a lead in a Broadway Musical (in some cases) gives you mental health opportunities that other could not dream of. The millions of people trying to struggle to make ends meet don’t get mental health days, we get fired for missing work. I’ve been in the hospital twice for trying to kill myself. I lost a job one of those times. Not because of work performance, not because I was losing the company money, but because I missed work due to being in the hospital. That’s the reality for most people. That’s the reality for almost everyone else who works for Murins parent company, Disney. I watched so many cast members get driven by Disney to the brink of suicide only to lose their jobs once they attempt suicide. Patti Murin is paid very well to work (at max) four hours a day playing the lead in a Broadway Musical. People who have to work 60 hour work weeks for 1/3rd of Patti Murin’s pay don’t get the luxury she gets. That’s not a dig on Patti, that’s a dig on the system.



(I’d also like to say that not myself or anyone made personal attacks on Murin. We asked hard questions and brought up hard talking points)


And I’ll share a personal story:
I played Hedwig in Hedwig and the Angry Inch last year… and it destroyed my (already iffy) mental health. I don’t mean that I went a little bit crazy playing Hedwig. I mean that I came very close to Heath-Ledgering-Out-Of-Here and the production process can best be described by the documentary film Jim and Andy. I completely lost myself and had an almost successful suicide attempt (to the point where my heart stopped and I was revived) when i was dealing with the fallout I’d caused playing Hedwig. This was late 2017/early 2018.

I had to have a LONG conversation with myself that I didn’t want to have:
Did my mental illness allow me to safely be an actor?

Does acting put my mental state in jeopardy and, in turn, put entire productions I act for in jeopardy?

Even if the ends are justified by the means and I churn out brilliant performances, is it worth it?

These were hard discussions that I didn’t even want to let my mind wander into. It is easier and less painful to keep these conversations locked away.

But I had the conversations.

And found that my joy, talent, skills, ideas, and mental state are much better suited for directing and producing.

And I’m much happier because I battled hard conversations.



That’s all I’ll say, without making any implications or drawing any lines."

I'll admit I thought your post Murin shared in her tweet was pointed, but this adds a lot of perspective to your stance and thank you for sharing your story and struggles. I'm thankful you're still with us, as a longtime lurker I've always enjoyed your contributions on this forum.

jonah3500 said: "Link please?"

Check Murin's Twitter.

I think this is the most infuriating comment:
"I read them periodically to see if what we agreed upon is still being enforced, and this is what I found."

What? WE? Did she become a moderator or owner of the site? Why does she have any say at all?