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I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
VIETgrlTerifa
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#50re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 11:57amI guess it's the argument of whether not there's subtlety vs. being non-existent.
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#51re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 11:59amiluvtheatertrash ~ Like I said, I adore subtlety. I did not adore Company but not because of subtlety or lack of or anything. I just didn't LIKE it. It happens.
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#52re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:01pm
However, I do believe that they gave it to DHP because they had to give CURTAINS something.
If that's the case, then they should have rewarded the late Peter Stone's book instead of inexplicably letting Spring Awakening sweep that category too.
DHP's performance was... cute, but Best Actor in a Musical? I'm not so sure. For me, Raul's performance was one of the most powerful in recent memory. If they were going to to give it to anyone else besides Raul, it should have gone to Cerveris for his understated work in LoveMusik.
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Auggie27
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#53re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:03pm
Not since CRASH beat BROKEBACK...
And that's not just a glib remark. Don't you all think it was very close? Perhaps even 10 votes or something? Which was probably the case with the aforementioned films.
The voters vote, quietly, at home, alone. They don't huddle in a room together like jurors and strategize saying "we need to give CURTAINS something, don't we?" or "Raul has won everything else, let's mix it up."
Voting is subjective, and just as there are people here who find Esparza perfection, there are others who find him a singing Sandy Dennis, all mannerisms and tics.
I like him, but find his choices erratic and sometimes at odds with the character, even, yes, in his legendary catharsis I have look away when he shakes his head and screams MOCK ME WITH PRAISE!!! Huh? Both times I saw the show, I wondered, Why is that line angry? It's a random bit of emoting that doesn't serve the song or make a damn bit of sense.
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#54re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:06pm
"However, I do believe that they gave it to DHP because they had to give CURTAINS something."
A truly ignorant statement.
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robbiej
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#55re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:06pm
'a singing Sandy Dennis, all mannerisms and tics.'
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#56re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:17pm
"However, I do believe that they gave it to DHP because they had to give CURTAINS something."
No. It was because it was the 10th anniversary of the 1997 Tony Awards in which they didn't give Steel Pier a single award, though it had 11 nominations. That is why DHP won.
Raul can sleep well tonight knowing he was not mocked with praise.
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#57re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:19pm
"No. It was because it was the 10th anniversary of the 1997 Tony Awards in which they didn't give Steel Pier a single award, though it had 11 nominations. That is why DHP won."
Karen Ziemba feels mocked with praise right now.
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robbiej
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#58re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:20pmActually, it's because Chenoweth was snubbed this year and she was IN Steel Pier and so Pierce had to win.
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#59re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:22pmAhhhhhhhhh ... Pier / Pierce, it all makes sense now.
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#60re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:24pm
"Karen Ziemba feels mocked with praise right now. "
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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#61re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:29pmRaul doesnt impress me at all either. His vibrato KILLS me!!!!! HAvent really seen his actiing but his voice turns me off enouph that I dont care if he can act or not!
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#62re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:30pmI can't stand his voice. Blech
#63re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:37pmI think it is interesting that someone with a voice like his is a "star" on Broadway.
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#64re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:54pmYou know, I think if Raul had never been in Taboo and Tick Tick Boom, we would not even be having this discussion...am I alone?
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robbiej
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#65re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:56pmDing Ding Ding.
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Tom1071
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#66re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:59pmNever really been a Raul fan and based on his performance of Being Alive last night I wouldn't give him a Tony.
#67re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:00pm
I also dont think Raul wouldve deserved to win, and I'm very glad David Hyde did
I feel that yeah, Raul has a few big standout parts like "Being Alive", which were incredible. But I just felt he wasn't consistently good throughout the show, and was pretty uninterested for a good part of it. Save for a few times where he really shined.
On the other hand, David Hyde did not have any standout songs or scenes, BUT was consistently in character, and working hard throughout the show.
So yeah, I hope that made sense, but yeah, I'm glad the Tony voters didn't give Raul the Tony! Maybe another year and another role, but he didn't deserve it for COMPANY...
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2373
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#68re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:03pm
I know many of you love him and that's great. To each his own.
Broadwaygirl: Your posts are so full of passion; you must ADORE this man and this show but you should relax a bit. It's alright if people don't agree with you.
Personally,I have never seen Raul perform (outside of his Tony performance last night) and I concur with some other posters that I was also so turned off by his voice (that horrible gunshot vibrato) that I will make sure that I never see him in a show.
I could not stand listening to that sound for 2 hours.
Sorry to those who love him.
Updated On: 6/11/07 at 01:03 PM
#69re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:10pmYou're certainly not alone! I was really glad DHP won, I thought he totally deserved it! (So did my friend...)
#70re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:12pm
You know, I think if Raul had never been in Taboo and Tick Tick Boom, we would not even be having this discussion
That's awfully dumb logic. If he weren't in those shows then he would have been in something else. He's a good performer. That is why he is being discussed.
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#71re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:21pmTheActr, I think the comment partially had to do with the fact that both of those shows have somewhat of a cult following. Notice he didn't mention Chitty or Rocky Horror. Yes he would have been in something else, but I don't think people would be obsessed with him the way they are now if it weren't specifically for Tick Tick Boom and Taboo.
#72re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:26pmI suppose, but it's hard to deny that his work in those shows was deserving of the praise and following it got.
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Thesbijean
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#73re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:42pmNot only did he not deserve to win for what I felt was a merely a serviceable performance in a strong production, but he DIDN'T win.
BroadwayGirl107
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#74re: I did NOT think Raul deserved the tony...am I alone?
Posted: 6/11/07 at 1:57pm
"You know, I think if Raul had never been in Taboo and Tick Tick Boom, we would not even be having this discussion...am I alone?"
Maybe you wouldn't be getting the argument back from some people on here, but I didn't see either of those shows, don't even own the Taboo recording, and probably have listened to tick tick Boom twice in my life. In fact, the only time I ever saw Esparza perform prior was in a couple of benefit concerts. Some people were genuinely impressed with Esparza's work in Company.
2373, I think I'm just channeling my frustration with the lack of perception as far as the actor's and director's jobs in general into this show. I think most people on this board wouldn't know good acting if it smacked them across the face.
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