All of the reviews seem to tell either one of two stories. Those reviewers who saw the piece as a satire/parody of the 30s movie musicals as originally intended hated it as what passed for satire 50 years ago fails by today's standards. Those who didn't sat back and enjoyed.
Isherwood doesn't like it because of "the avalanche of musicals that have recycled this show’s formula over the past few decades" yet he admits that Dames at Sea basically invented the formula. Can someone explain to me why those shows he mentions like Crazy For You, Nice Work if You Can Get It and An American in Paris should have any bearing on his review for this show?
I enjoyed myself thoroughly at this revival. Although there were six actor/ dancers, they filled the stage as if it were a cast of 40 and I forgot there was only six. I'm surprised at some of the negative reviews. The cast is extraordinary and Skinner did a marvelous job. Ah show biz.
CATSNYrevival said: "Isherwood doesn't like it because of "the avalanche of musicals that have recycled this show’s formula over the past few decades" yet he admits that Dames at Sea basically invented the formula. Can someone explain to me why those shows he mentions like Crazy For You, Nice Work if You Can Get It and An American in Paris should have any bearing on his review for this show? "
If you read Jesse Green's Vulture review, it pretty much answers the question for you (I say Green because Isherwood, bad writer that he is, can't express terribly well what the problem with Dames is). Dames at Sea wasn't the first show to homage or satirize an earlier style of musical, but it was the first time 30's movies were being satirized and by such a low-budget, low tech production. Part of the charm of the attitude of the material and the original production (according to Green and a few other reviewers) was that it wasn't sending up these preposterous movie musicals by exposing all of their flaws, but by doing them earnestly with a cast 1/10 the size and on a stage that was smaller than most Broadway dressing rooms. Dames at Sea didn't really invent the exact formula (satires and spoofs today are a far different animal), so much as open the door. What many critics feel (and I have to say I agree with them) is that there's no novelty left to Dames at Sea. It's no longer on a shoestring budget and in the last 50 years other shows have come and done the Dames at Sea-approach better. Why bring it back, then? If it's for nostalgia or a purely entertaining evening, there are other, stronger shows out there that can offer both.
"Sing the words, Patti!!!!" Stephen Sondheim to Patti LuPone.
"Noel [Coward] and I were in Paris once. Adjoining rooms, of course. One night, I felt mischievous, so I knocked on Noel's door, and he asked, 'Who is it?' I lowered my voice and said 'Hotel detective. Have you got a gentleman in your room?' He answered, 'Just a minute, I'll ask him.'" (Beatrice Lillie)
I think that's the closest I've ever seen Isherwood come to a clear and coherently expressed viewpoint.
If you've never seen or done Dames, if you don't know what it could be, then this revival might suit fine; those who do know what it could be, what it was created to be, know that the meaning of the piece has gone missing. And that can be attributed to Skinner, an old chorus boy who can choreograph tap really well (other forms maybe not so well), but has no concept of the meaning of a show at all. He showed this when he re-staged 42nd Street, making changes that removed any tiny aspect of interesting darkness that there had once been (thanks to a much smarter director, Gower Champion). The guy clearly doesn't get anything more than bright smiling teeth and loud taps.
Do you mean the change to the "42nd Street" ballet, wherein the thief got shot instead of the sailor as in the original production? If so, that wasn't Skinner's decision.
Begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end: then stop.
Skinner's choroegraphy for Gentlemen Prefer Blondes at Encores was a retro revelation. That should have moved to Broadway. I personally think this man is an amazingly talented choreographer. It just may be that Dames at Sea perhaps didn't need reviving but I for one am a big fan of his work.
I pretty much agree with Isherwood across the board, except I didn't tire of the dance breaks, and I would give more of a shout-out to Lesli Margherita as the diva. They were the real standouts for me.
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CATSNYrevival said: "Isherwood doesn't like it because of "the avalanche of musicals that have recycled this show’s formula over the past few decades" yet he admits that Dames at Sea basically invented the formula. Can someone explain to me why those shows he mentions like Crazy For You, Nice Work if You Can Get It and An American in Paris should have any bearing on his review for this show?"
I agree. Found an inordinate amount of "she's no Bernadette Peters," and comparisons to other tribute driven shows in the collected reviews instead of just reviewing the current production that's in front of them. I think the fantastic thing about Dames is that you have six of the absolute best talents ("relative unknowns" as Isherwood put it) musical theater has to offer today imprisoned on a stage for two hours giving it everything they've got. No opportunity of "dialing it in." I hope this has a great run.
"Those reviewers who saw the piece as a satire/parody of the 30s movie musicals as originally intended hated it as what passed for satire 50 years ago fails by today's standards. Those who didn't sat back and enjoyed."
Knowing the show, the above comment has been bothering me. Did that mean that it would be possible to watch this production WITHOUT taking it as a satire/parody? Did this mean it was being played "straight" and believable rather than "over the top"? Well yesterday I saw it and loved it, but now my question remains. How in the world could anyone watch this and NOT take it as a satire or parody?
There's a reason why George S. Kaufman said "satire is what closes on Saturday night" - most people just don't get it (and perhaps fewer now than ever before). I think audiences today think that "A Musical!" from Something Rotten is satire.
To appreciate that aspect of Dames At Sea, you need some familiarity with the old Warner Brothers musicals as well as sufficient wit to grasp what's behind this particular spoof of them. I suspect that both of those qualities are relatively rare today.
Really cute photo shoot. Kinda falling in love with Cary Tedder. Too bad I still don't have any desire to catch this.
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The thing is, besides being an utter toad of a human being, Riedel usually has the least knowledge of the topic in the room. He doesn't usually understand the content or approach of a show, and is always completely and unfailingly socially ignorant, which makes it really infuriating when Susan can't get a word in edgewise. A definitive mansplainer; it's always painful when he has female guests. I watch the show sporadically when I really want to see a guest, because it's the only theatre talkshow we have, but it would be so much better without this hateful clown in a dadcoat. (thanks ScaryWarhol)
Has anyone seen the video of Lesli Margherita performing as Ruby in college? The more I think about it, the more I feel certain that Eloise was really the weak link for me. Had she played the character differently, I don't think she would have been as grating and the satire/non-satire would have worked better.
Kropp really is a top-notch tapper. Sadly, she has (I think) little else to offer; her singing is very pushed, with a fast and harsh (to my ear) vibrato. Her acting is also full of strenuous effort. And I really loathe writing this, because it ought not to matter, but she's just so un-pretty, in a Jane Withers/Virginia Weidler way. She's much more suited to play a Lucy Schmeeler kind of role, except for that enormous tapping talent. In another day, someone might have written a new show for her, with good character role, heavy on the dance. But an ingenue, she's just not.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that this show belongs 100% to Margherita; she gets all the laughs, and they're big ones. Every thing else about the show feels strictly summer stock.
I thought Eloise Kropp's dancing was fantastic in Dames at Sea - i always had a huge grin on my face whenever she was tap dancing. I also saw her as Louise in the Goodspeed Carousel, and her performance in the 2nd act ballet there has really stuck with me as well - she was breathtaking and heartbreaking. I've now seen 6 professional Carousel productions in the last 3 years, and her ballet performance is still the one that sticks with me. Her dancing is really superb. I would happily buy tickets to go see her dance in any show that casts her.