89th Academy Awards Thread — Page 11

"Beatty went on to explain: “I want to tell you what happened. I opened the envelope and it said, ‘Emma Stone, La La Land.’” (Stone had just won best actress moments before.)"

This was in the Washington Post. I didn't include a link because it's a long article.

Jane2 said:
Anyway, the card said Emma Stone - la la Land. Pretty clear.

That's exactly what I said. You're arguing with me about something you couldn't possibly have seen and making the same argument I am. Are you feeling okay, Jane?

And since you saw the correct card, then you would have to know that Beatty and Dunaway did not receive the card which announced best picture, however, they announced best picture.


Yes, we know that. Everyone knows that. It's what we've been talking about for four days. They got the Best Actress envelope by mistake, Faye Dunaway's eyes glossed over the name "Emma Stone" and saw only the words "La La Land" because that's what she was expecting to see, and read them aloud. There's no difference of opinion here, so I don't know what we're arguing about.

They were handed the wrong envelope.
Beatty choked during an unprecedented snafu on live television.
He showed the envelope to Dunfadeaway without explanation and she impatiently read the only film title printed on the card.

That's it. Nothing insidious. A series of mistakes made by various people.

Mister Matt said: "



Sheesh, talk about being overly dramatic.

Some of you on here are really, really weird.

Updated On: 3/2/17 at 12:20 PM

"Some of you"? Which ones aren't really, really weird?

"at no point during the broadcast was that card held up by Beatty or anyone else on camera for everyone to see. "

and you know that because....

Except that there IS footage of the guy that came out trying to correct the error holding up the correct envelope. I saw it too.

Huh? The title she saw was Emma Stone. They held up the card to the camera on air. I saw it.

I just watched the entire Best Picture portion of the Oscars again for the THIRD TIME because it is still on my DVR. And I can assure you, AT NO TIME ON THE OSCAR BROADCAST DID ANYBODY HOLD UP THE CARD THAT SAID EMMA STONE LA LA LAND.



That did not happen. You can resent being told you didn't see somebody on the Oscar broadcast hold up a card that said Emma Stone in La La Land, feel free. But you didn't see it. It didn't happen.



So basically, this shows us how tricky it is to get prosecutions for crimes when it relies on witness testimony. Because a lot of time people THINK they saw all sorts of things they never did.



Does it matter? No. But when people get all scoldy about things that never happened it starts to feel like Trumpian logic. There ARE some things that can be disproven.

Updated On: 3/2/17 at 11:29 PM

Getting back to the movies. I really enjoyed La La Land from start to finish, but I was completely haunted by Moonlight tonight. I totally see why it won. If you haven't seen it yet, you must.

"That did not happen. You can resent being told you didn't see somebody on the Oscar broadcast hold up a card that said Emma Stone in La La Land, feel free. But you didn't see it. It didn't happen. "

Yes, I saw it. Don't you tell me I didn't see something I saw. In the LEAST, you and those other people could say something to the effect of "well, I watched the show and didn't see it" or whatever, but you cannot under any circumstances tell me I didn't see it.

Perhaps I did see it after the show in another clip, but when I saw it, I really wondered why both Beatty and Dunaway both saw the words I was looking at, and didn't know they had the wrong envelope. It happened right after the mistake was announced and Warren looked flabbergasted. He then said he wanted to explain what happened.That's when he held up the card, which explained why he said la la Land. The card said Emma Stone la la Land. Perhaps this was edited out which would have shown that someone gave him the wrong card, who knows? But I saw it.

I'm tired of this, Frankie the newbie. Please go back and watch the show a few more times.

Updated On: 3/3/17 at 10:10 AM

Newbie, as I said, take your giant calzones and go watch the show again. Or, just go away and pick your nose, son.

It was fun while it lasted but it's over now.