89th Academy Awards Thread — Page 12

hork, I used to respect you and agree with your points of view also. But now, with this kerfuffle, and you deciding to tell me I didn't see what I saw, well, I feel the same as you do about me.

I hope this is the last time I have to say this - I know what I saw. I will never say that I didn't. That will never change, and I wonder why it's so important to you and others to tell me I didn't see what I saw. Why do you care? Forget about it!

As for the newbie, did you check his prior posts? And yes, I'll call him newbie because he came here days ago and immediately starts trouble.

Jane2 said: ""Warren held up the correct card, the one that said "Moonlight."

hork, that doesn't make sense, does it? Warren was explaining what happened. He was explaining why he said la la Land!!!!! If he held up a card that said Moonlight, how would that explain what happened? fail..



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If you watched the video that hork so kindly posted, you would understand better. Stop being stubborn, you're acting like a child.

#Rashomon!



This is why sports announcers often use the phrase, "Let's check the tape and see what happened on that move." Jane2, clearly you have dug your heels in deeply on this, because it matters to you even though you keep asking others what it matters to them.



Check the tape. Go back and see the entire sequence. Just a couple of corrections comparing what the tape shows happened with what you remember:



He handed it to Faye, saying "you take care of this" or something to that effect,


He didn't say a word to Faye. He stared at the card, looked confused, she said, laughing, "You're impossible," because she probably assumed he was milking it for dramatic tension, he showed her the card without saying anything to the effect of "you take care of it" (because he said nothing, he just looked at her) and she said aloud the only name of a film on the card which was "La La Land."






As I mentioned, Warren said on the air, "I want to explain what happened." If you didn't see this, you're the one who is wrong, btw.



Yes! He did say and do this! It's on the tape. That happened.



So in order to show what happened, he held up the card that he saw, and the one I saw.



Two out of three ain't bad, Jane2.



In order to show what happened, he held up the card but not the one he saw when he opened the envelope, but rather the winning one, to confirm which movie was the winning one. He EXPLAINED he had been given the card that Emma Stone one Best Actress for La La Land, but what he held up was the "Moonlight" card and he explained that the real winner was "Moonlight." He was trying to quell any notion that the Oscar DID belong to La La Land and not Moonlight, that the mess up was the first move, not the correction.

So, you will swear that you saw what you saw, but you didn't. Find a clip of the broadcast and you will see that you misremembered, that you are thinking of an alternate fact, that you aren't correct in an accuracy way, that you will not be convinced that a falsehood is false.



But in the end what matters to me as a film-goer is that the masterpiece movie was awarded Best Picture.

Updated On: 3/3/17 at 01:32 PM

This is at the beginning of the presentation. This is before anything was read. That was the ENVELOPE he had with BEST ACTRESS EMMA STONE LA LA LAND inside.

When the La La Land were giving their acceptance speeches, there was a lot of running around and Warren came back, with the correct envelope and card, to reiterate what the producer of La La Land said, which was that Moonlight was the Best Picture Winner and he held that up as validation.



Also, you didn't even "see" the envelope that you can see in the magnified screen grab you have posted, which does nothing to support the fact that a) what you said happened didn't; b) you refuse to acknowledge the facts, c) or saying a simple "Whoops I was wrong but I can see where I was mistaken."



Because it's your sandbox?

"Oh, Jesus Christ. I JUST POSTED A LINK SHOWING HIM HOLDING UP THE MOONLIGHT CARD!! I'm not arguing this stupid argument anymore. You've lost your mind."

Yes he held that card up later on. You just don't get it.

"He didn't say a word to Faye. "

YES HE DID. Did you read any of the articles about the show on line? I did, and Warren himself narrated what he said to Faye. SO YOU ARE INCORRECT.

Why would you want to join this theater site, and within days, go to the off topic board and start trouble? Not only with me, I read another of your angry posts. It doesn't seem like you want to make a good impression at the start. I think you're one of those people who are angry at the world, at himself, and is looking for a fight wherever you can get it. There are others like you around, so enjoy yourself.

The new Peugeot spokesperson!

Oops, double post.



While I'm here, has anybody seen a picture of the actual Best Actress card? I'm curious to see the font size of "La La Land" relative to "Emma Stone".

Updated On: 3/3/17 at 07:45 PM

I would like to apologize sincerely to Jane2. Though she is completely wrong about what was shown on the Oscar broadcast, I am sorry that she rightly claimed that I came here to start trouble. I don't actually feel that was my motivation, but perhaps that sterling memory of hers recalls that I did not react out of kindness and love when a poster (what's the opposite of "newbie"? "Oldbie?" who is an oldbie made fun of my screen name, said my avatar was douchey and called me a douche. I realize now that my response to that person was not supportive of him or as filled with the sunshine and rainbows that are really all a person sees on these boards. By reacting defensively, I was clearly starting trouble.



Much love. One world.



I apologize.

It was all a total cluster fuxk up there and such an important award should never have been given to 2 aging veterans of the screen who now rarely/never work professionally.

Chooks running around with their heads cut off, all fighting over a gold statue.

And the prize goes to---Help yourself !

I would now just like to say how incredibly happy I was that Moonlight won. I had not been that moved by a film in years. I can't wait to see what Barry Jenkins does next.