Bareback Mountain- Page 8

[Luscious]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 9:33pm

Yeah papa... because you're the epitome of "adult".

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 9:38pm

luvtheemcee, I'm not saying Jack wouldn't have been the slot to Ennis's tab, just that the only way it would likely happen would be if ol' Ennis (seriously, shouldn't THAT have been the name of Jake's character, considering?) were flat on his back and Jack did all the work, so to speak.

I've encountered a few of those pushy types and believe me, I was as surprised as Ennis would have been since they could manipulate the situation in six seconds flat before I had even finished the sentence, "Hi, how are you, my name is ________"

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 9:42pm

Again, point taken.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 10:16pm

BlueWizard I was particularly looking forward to your response to my post that came after your 02:09 PM one.

I will admit that I only glanced at the last page of the thread, and saw some angry sh*t-tossing going on, and it seemed the smellier turds were coming from Namo.

I'm getting exhausted from what has become a circular discussion. Can we move on? Say, to discussing what the next icon of straight American machoism will be appropriated by gay culture (or have we done them all)?

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 10:40pm

Because Namo wanted a response:

It's really people who are not of the dominant culture (like the gays, like the dykes, like the peoples of color) who have to learn to "see them/ourselves" in representations of mainstream story-telling. I don't think people who enjoy the benefits and privleges of being in the dominant culture particularly have a frame of reference that encourages them to identify with "otherness" in any form of representation.

To a certain extent I agree. But just because a person is part of the majority in one respect doesn't mean that they don't have any frame of reference for identifying with "otherness." I believe that the experience of being an outsider is almost universal, and I would question anyone who claimed to not know the feeling of being ostracized, no matter how superficially. I think BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN taps into that.

In reviews of BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN -- from mainstream critics who have embraced this movie like no other gay flick -- it seems the aspect of the film that is most surprising to people isn't the outlandishness of gay cowboys, but how easy it is to identify with the strife of these cowboys. The movie doesn't really offer anything new; it just explores the same old themes but in a context in which many people never thought they would be occurring.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 10:45pm

I guess I can see what you're saying. Kind of like how even the poorest of the working class think of themselves as "middle class" in the US. Kind of like how high school cheerleaders, the ultimate insiders, over-relate to Elphaba. But if everybody relates to being an outsider, who are all those insiders that provoke our anxiety and make us spend more money?

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 10:50pm

But if everybody relates to being an outsider, who are all those insiders that provoke our anxiety and make us spend more money?

Different categories of insider/outsider: the high school cheerleaders may feel ostracized from the independence and power accorded to adults, or something. The specifics may be superficial, but the emotion is genuine. (Reminds me of method acting.)

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 10:54pm

To quote emcee, point taken.

[TheEnchantedHunter]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 10:56pm

The problem with BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN is that there is no love story. The dynamic between the two men has not been dramatized so the audience has no idea what brings these two men together for over twenty years besides fishing and f***ing. And from a pure narrative consideration, having Ledger's wife know what hubby is doing on those yearly excursions robs the story of any tension and conflict. In the end, it's just a not very compelling movie that panders to the current political divisiveness in our culture without supplying the truth that art provides.


Vivian Darkbloom
Ramsdale, New England

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/7/06 at 10:59pm

I've been quoted. My work here is done.

[DG]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 2:50am

Enchanted - you may not be the most popular poster here, but you truly have elucidated my reaction to this movie precisely.

[TheEnchantedHunter]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 1:40pm

I just call 'em like I see 'em, DG. If that riles some, so be it.
It doesn't make my observations any less true.


Daisy Gamble
New York, New York

[popcultureboy]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 1:45pm

Yes it does because it's your opinion and therefore isn't definitively true. Furthermore you hate everything so your opinion is worthless to me.

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 1:50pm

Enchanted---

Maybe you saw only "fishing and f*cking," but I seem to remember scenes of dialogue in between. Lots of them, in fact. Between two characters who said more to each other up there in the mountains than they did their entire lives any place else. They even mention that to each other in the film.

Maybe you were checking your watch then. But it's in there.

[roquat]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:41pm

Namo, I do not understand why you keep posting the same arguments over and over on the same "Brokeback Mountain" threads, as if you were trying to convict the film on "Law and Order". You have written more about "Brokeback Mountain" on these boards than anyone else I can think of. I can't think of a single mention of the movie, however slight, that you've let go. If the movie was as divorced from reality as you claim, why is it worth all this time? You seem more obsessed than all the pathetic saps whom you accuse of "overidentifying" with this film. Even those of us who loved the film realize a)it's fiction; b)there are other things to focus on. To be very blunt, we have lives.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:45pm

"You have written more about 'Brokeback Mountain' on these boards than anyone else I can think of...."

Incorrect.

"I can't think of a single mention of the movie, however slight, that you've let go."

Then maybe it's time to start taking some ginko biloba, hon. There are SCADS of threads that were devoted to BBM that I never made a peep on. It wasn't until the threads began to rival Wicked's that I finally HAD to step in and say, "Ugh, not EVERYBODY thinks this is the greatest thing since gay bread."

So. Incorrect again.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:48pm

Gay bread? What is gay bread?

No carbs?

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:51pm

It's certainly not pumpernickel.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:52pm

"Fagmalion, Part 3" -

WILL: Barry, it's okay you didn't like Broken Hearts Club or Kiss Me, Guido. Let me tell you a little secret, that we try to keep within the community. Gay movies suck. But, until the laws change, we're still obligated to go see 'em.

Updated On: 1/8/06 at 06:52 PM

[roquat]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:52pm

"It wasn't until the threads began to rival Wicked's that I finally HAD to step in and say, "Ugh, not EVERYBODY thinks this is the greatest thing since gay bread." "

At that point, saying it once was really enough, thanks.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:55pm

Most gay movies really do suck. There's this one called Broadway Damage that still gives me the shakes when I think about it too much.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:55pm

How many devotional threads that chastize people for improper worship are enough, I ask you?

[roquat]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 6:58pm

"How many devotional threads that chastize people for improper worship are enough, I ask you?"

How are such threads different--or more improper--than the "worship" being chastised? (not spelled with a "z", by the way.)

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 7:04pm

Yep, I knew that that was exactly what your reply would be. Not the spelling part, the other.

Sorry, I'm no longer at the place in life where somebody who writes blatant falsehoods as you did in your 06:41:47 PM post get to tell me that "two wrongs don't make a right" or to "be the better person."

In fact, I hadn't written a thing in this thread for about 20 hours. You're the one who called me out. I'm not going to explain my actions to you, I'm just going to take them. React to them as you will, it's a free country, for now.

[TheEnchantedHunter]

Posted: 1/8/06 at 8:02pm

"Yes it does because it's your opinion and therefore isn't definitively true. Furthermore you hate everything so your opinion is worthless to me."

And, conversely, your opinion couldn't matter less to me.
But thanks for stating it over and over in your posts. Nice to know you're still reading.

Fraulein 'I-Don't-Care-Much' Kost
Berlin, Germany
Updated On: 1/8/06 at 08:02 PM