Speaking of Bush. . . .

[tz0o]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 5:56pm

Hello? Anyone remember me? I'm that girl who supported Bush who posted here a few months ago. You know, the whole "Am I the only one here who actually *likes* Bush?"? Well, I'm back, and I've changed somewhat.

I think it all began the day before yesterday, when I saw Al Gore's movie with a friend. "An Inconvinient Truth", I think it's called. And it's actually a pretty darn good movie. The only thing I didn't like about it was the subliminal messaging that Al Gore used. Shortly after they quoted Churchill referring to something that was oh so obviously not about global warming and was oh so obviously about the rise of Nazi Germany, they showed Bush beating Gore in the elections. He has every right to think Bush is bad, but to call him a Nazi is a bit over the top, don'tcha think?

Anyways, I saw the movie, and had dinner with my aformentioned friend. That dinner changed some of my political views. Here they are now. I hope that you won't make fun of me anymore, and will clear up anything that I ask about.

Is it true that Dick Cheney, amoung others, was apart of some organization that was all for building American colonies, and that this is why he wanted to invade Iraq? That made me mad. While I still think invading Iraq was the right thing to do (but not for the reasons Dick Cheney wants), I now believe that we should've invaded when we had a plan of rebuilding it. We should've only gotten rid of the top administration officials there, not gotten rid of their well built army altogether.

I'm not homophobic, nor do I hate gay people. Heck, one of my favorite Broadway stars is gay. However, my feelings drive me against gay marriage, simply because I find it highly unnecessary. I know of a rabbi who married religiously in the state of Virginia, where such marriages are illegal still. What they could always do is sign a contract bonding them together that is marriage in everything but name, then throw a wedding ceremony, 'cause who said that there couldn't be a wedding ceremony? Also, the only reason marriage exists in the first place is because people need to reproduce and have sex, and, as we all know, gay people don't reproduce or have sex (at least not that I've heard of).

In spite of all of Dick Cheney's corruptiveness, I still think Bush and the rest of his administration are innocent players in all of this, however, they must be increadibly naive to follow Dick Cheney. He is a good man, he is just not fit to be president if he can't follow the events around him.

Conclusion: I'm still a Republican, I just don't support Dick Cheney, that's all.


And that's all I wanted to say. Please stop making fun of me now.

[Calvin]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:02pm

gay people don't reproduce or have sex (at least not that I've heard of)

(emphasis mine)

Uh...really? Let me introduce myself...

What they could always do is sign a contract bonding them together that is marriage in everything but name, then throw a wedding ceremony, 'cause who said that there couldn't be a wedding ceremony?

And it's not that easy. There are hundreds of rights immediately bestowed upon a married couple that would not be feasibly gotten by a simple legal contract. Not only that, states like Virginia are doing all they can to overturn people's rights to even enter into such contracts.

But glad to see that you are willing to take a step back and re-evaluate positions. Updated On: 6/5/06 at 06:02 PM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:05pm

no, cal, it's true. none of the gays i know have sex. friggin' buncha puritans. especially people that i've met from bww, they're the worst. they act like sex doesn't even exist.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:06pm

oh and can i voice my disappointment that this thread is not about pubic hair?

[JohnBoy2]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:16pm

gay people don't reproduce or have sex (at least not that I've heard of).

This is a joke, right? Right? Right?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:17pm

no, johnboy, and if you've been having secret gay sex, you are so busted!

[SallyBrown]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:23pm

BUSH? An innocent player? That's like saying gays don't have sex.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I think you should know what kind of reaction you're going to get. You say it's unnecessary for gays to be married, but maybe it's unnecessary for them not to be married. For years and years (and even today) homosexuals were labeled as freaks, society outcasts. Hell in ancient times long ago they executed gays, and hate crimes are still commited today. So you're saying that even after putting innocent people through all this judgement, you're also not going to give them decent human rights?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:25pm

or even indecent ones.

[tz0o]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:34pm

Relax. I never said that I was against homosexuals. I just said that marriage is unnecessary unless you want to reproduce, and even though, as I learned the hard way, gay people DO have sex (although I don't understand how), that still doesn't change the fact that they can't reproduce. I'm not saying kill all gay people, or that gay people are freaks, or that gay people carry AIDS, etc. I'm not prejudiced. Heck, if hetrosexuals coudn't reproduce, I'd find hetrosexual marraige to be unnecessary as well.

Actually, I just read what I just wrote and realised: "What about those hetrosexual people who were castrated, or who were impotent, or who couldn't reproduce? They still marry and people don't raise an eyebrow!" I guess something fishy is going on. But I still see why Bush may be against gay marriage. He probably has yet to realize what I had just said, seeing that-no offense to him-he isn't exactly the most quick witted of us. But I still support him.

[SallyBrown]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:35pm

No offense, but it is kind of prejudice when you say that a certain group of people shouldn't be able to marry. Whether it makes sense to you or not is not the case. Is it hurting you whether or not the get married? You say it's unnecessary, but for who? Certainly not for you..you're not the one getting married.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 6:54pm

Wow, that's one hell of a lot of change and growth.

"Also, the only reason marriage exists in the first place is because people need to reproduce and have sex, and, as we all know, gay people don't reproduce or have sex (at least not that I've heard of)."

People reproduce without being married ALL THE TIME. And plenty of married people never reproduce.

And lots and lots and lots of gay men and lesbians have produced children of their own. Last time I checked.

[SallyBrown]

Posted: 6/5/06 at 7:01pm

And people always complain about how the world's population is growing to be too large, but then they go and say the same thing you just did.

[tz0o]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 8:17am

Please read the last paragraph of my last post.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 8:25am

gay people do have sex (although i don't understand how)

nah. couldn't be. i was willing to buy up until here, but fuhgeddaboudit.

[cturtle]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 8:27am

tzoo, you should have posted this as the tuesday morning chuckle. unfortunately, there's nothing funny about the subjects you bring up.

Updated On: 6/6/06 at 08:27 AM

[joniray]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 9:49am

"However, my feelings drive me against gay marriage, simply because I find it highly unnecessary"

Try saying that to my friend who may be forced to leave the country he was born and raised in in order to stay with his Venezuelan partner (and proclaimed soul-mate) of over 10 years. Citizenship of their partners is just one of over a thousand rights that married heterosexuals have that are being denied homosexual partnerships. So many of those opposed to gay marriage say "Why don't they just sign a contract and live together blah blah blah." If only it were that easy. If it were, there wouldn't be so many homosexual relationships being forced apart and so many court cases of homosexuals trying to get (and usually loosing) basic rights like visitation of their loved ones in the hospital, etc. In many cases, even with contracts signed, families still fight (and often win) over the contracts saying that the partners have no rights because they are not a true "legal" partnership under the law.

[tz0o]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 10:19am

Really? How sad. I had no idea.


But yeah, reading over what I wrote the day before, I guess I was being more than a tad bit hypocritical. Afterall, there are thousands of hetrosexuals that can't reproduce that get married all the time. I had no idea that people were being forced to leave the country, nor did I realize that contracts were useless under closer scruntity. This almost leads me to be against the Hetrosexual Marriage Amendment.

Almost.

I only have one more question to ask, and please be kind. Wouldn't granting marriage rights to homosexuals eventually lead to polygamous marriages?

I know that Mr. Bush doesn't always make the best decisions but you don't have to act as if he's the devil incarnate. He really does have the people's best interests at heart.

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 11:40am

Here's a short list of some of the "rights" that come with marriage. They're automatic when you become legally wed, no lawyers, no contracts, just an "I DO" and suddenly these are all granted. Why shouldn't a gay couple who are commited to each other have the opportunity to take advantage of these rights? Within this list is a link to all 1,049.





1,049 Marriage Rights

Updated On: 6/6/06 at 11:40 AM

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 11:45am

I need someone to explain to me how ANYONE can make the so-called logical jump that legalizing another form of monogamous relationships could POSSIBLY logically extend to the eventual legalization of polygamy.
Red. Herring?

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 11:48am

I'd like to know why anyone so ill informed on this subject would make the decision to post this thread with such as strong opinion...then make it clear they know nothing about the subject.

"Really? How sad. I had no idea."

Pick up a freaking paper!

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 11:49am

Perhaps she's too busy being deported, Doodle.
You know, like those illegal immigrants what are destroying our Christian society along with the gays.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 11:50am

or is it gay's...Rath?

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 12:01pm

This poster is clearly just trying to get a rise out of us, so I did ingnore the thread until assuming it would die...then was finally bored enough when it got bumped.

Ingnorance...simple ingorance.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 12:03pm

tzOo = RadneyKay = RodneyK

[muscle23ftl]

Posted: 6/6/06 at 12:05pm

ugh.