75th Annual Tony Nominations- Page 6

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 11:31am

CoffeeBreak said: "Very questionable when Paradise Square choreography by Garrett Coleman and Jason Oremus (Irish and Hammerstep choreography) is diminished to" Choreography by Bill T. Jones" . They deserve to be included - as it's a big portion of the show."

This is an issue with the administration committee or the production's petitioning, not the nominators. We knew this before today. Remember when the PIPPIN revival was only deemed eligible for Chet Walker and not Gipsy Snyder (the circus elements)?

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 11:31am

I'm honestly just flummoxed that MJ and Paradise Square, two shows that got such middling reviews, could be leading the pack. 

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 11:33am

everythingtaboo said: "I'm honestly just flummoxed that MJ and Paradise Square, two shows that got such middling reviews, could be leading the pack."

You, and everyone else. Just wait until one of them takes home the Tony for best musical. 

[BCfitasafiddle]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 11:43am

The more I think about these nominations... the happier I am honestly. I would've put Flying Over Sunset in over Paradise Square if we were going for 6 Best Musical slots... but hey, I'm happy that an original musical like Paradise Square will hopefully get a nomination bump, let her sing "Let it Burn" on the Tonys, and keep people working.

I'm upset over Katrina, but she's got her Tony. I can't deny that as of now it's a dream of a category. Any of them have given award winning performances.

Featured Actor in a Musical is just confusing. The Paradise Square men were not on anyone's radar... Doyle will walk away with it. 

Couldn't be happier for L. Morgan Lee and Jennifer Simard. AND Jeanette Bayardelle. WHAT A CATEGORY!

Leading Actor in a play with 7 (!!!) that's crazy. 

This is such an exciting Tonys year. I can not wait.

[CoffeeBreak]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 11:51am

CoffeeBreak said: "Very questionable when Paradise Square choreography by Garrett Coleman and Jason Oremus (Irish and Hammerstep choreography) is diminished to" Choreography by Bill T. Jones" . They deserve to be included - as it's a big portion of the show."

"This is an issue with the administration committee or the production's petitioning, not the nominators. We knew this before today. Remember when the PIPPIN revival was only deemed eligible for Chet Walker and not Gipsy Snyder (the circus elements)?"

I agree.  This needs to be fixed - especially in this case - and should've been in the case of Pippin.  It's not. right . --- and offensively not inclusive or culturally aware.

Updated On: 5/9/22 at 11:51 AM

[bdn223]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 11:58am

ATerrifyingAndImposingFigure said: "That One Man Two Guvnors snub was quite odd. It got seven nominations including director and won lead actor, yet it didn’t make it in for play.

Can’t say how good of a farce it is without seeing it yet, but I’m happy for POTUS breaking through that bias a bit."

One Man, Two Guvnors snub for a Best Play nomination had to do with awards season politics. One Man, Two Guvnors opened in a season with 14 original plays, one had won the previous year's Pulitzer, Clybourne Park, another was the current year's runner up, Other Desert Cities. Add to that there were numerous other well received and commercially successful plays, so the producers tried to better their odds by having it considered as a for Best Revival since it is an new adaption of the Carlo Goldoni's 1746 classic Il Servitore di due padroni (A Servant to Two Masters). This did not go over well an the committee rightfully denied their request as while it does use Goldoni's play as the basis for the plot, it would be like arguing Rent should've been considered a revival since its an adaptation of La Bohème. Arguably if One Man, Two Guvnors hadn't tried to game the system they might of gotten nominated over Peter and the Starcatcher, but it was just such a competitive year for plays.

[Kad]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 11:58am

Reminder that number of nominations does not necessarily translate into wins. The nominations are the decision of just a few dozen folks- the voting body is hundreds and hundreds. 

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:00pm

Kad said: "Reminder that number of nominations does not necessarily translate into wins. The nominations are the decision of just a few dozen folks- the voting body is hundreds and hundreds."

Great Comet anyone…

[C4b2a3b]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:09pm

forfivemoreminutes said: "MemorableUserName said: "forfivemoreminutes said: "Very disappointed that none of the Caroline, or Change actresses got nominated - each of them gave outstanding performances. ."

? Clarke was nominated.

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Sorry, I meant for featured actress! Caissie, Tamika, and Samantha were who I was thinking of."

To me, the omission of these three ladies in featured actress is the most shocking!

[RememberTheDay]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:10pm

Luminaire2 said: "OH MY GOD SHOSHANA!!



I am so proud of her!"

SAME SAME SAME. So well deserved. I think either her or Simard will walk away with it.

[gypsy101]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:20pm

was it always called Six: The Musical? i thought it was just called Six

[binau]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:25pm

RememberTheDay said: "Luminaire2 said: "OH MY GOD SHOSHANA!!



I am so proud of her!"

SAME SAME SAME. So well deserved. I think either her or Simard will walk away with it."

There is no way this award is going to anyone except Patti LuPone! 

[bdn223]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:33pm

gypsy101 said: "was it always called Six: The Musical? i thought it was just called Six"

I am guessing they couldn't or were having trouble trademarking Six, so they went with Six: The Musical. It's broadway production has always that "the musical" tagline on all of their promotional and marketing materials though.

[gypsy101]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:42pm

i didn’t keep up with eligibility discourse, were none of the Six ladies eligible or submitted? thought Andrea or Abby might squeeze in a nomination 

bdn223 said: “I am guessing they couldn't or were having trouble trademarking Six, so they went with Six: The Musical. It's broadway production has always that "the musical" tagline on all of their promotional and marketing materials though.”

huh it’s on the original studio recording too i must have just never noticed. Six: The Musical makes me think “wait what is that based on? do you mean Nine?”

[ElephantLoveMedley]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:50pm

Kad said: "Reminder that number of nominations does not necessarily translate into wins. The nominations are the decision of just a few dozen folks- the voting body is hundreds and hundreds."

Yup. Some examples of this in action in recent years:

2020 Tony Awards
Most Nominations — Jagged Little Pill (15)
Most Wins — Moulin Rouge! (10)

2018 Tony Awards
Most Nominations — Mean Girls & Spongebob Squarepants (12)
Most Wins — The Band's Visit (10)

2017 Tony Awards
Most Nominations — Natasha, Pierre... (12)
​​​​​​​Most Wins — Dear Evan Hansen (6)

[ATerrifyingAndImposingFigure]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 12:55pm

All the actresses from Six were submitted as leads. It’s no surprise that they clearly cancelled each other out.

[bdn223]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:12pm

ATerrifyingAndImposingFigure said: "All the actresses from Six were submitted as leads. It’s no surprise that they clearly cancelled each other out."

Do we know what went on behind the scenes with this?

I thought Producers submitted and petitioned the Queens to be considered for a joint best featured actress nomination, and the nominating committee decided they should individually considered for Leading Actress. What producer in their right mind would petition to have 6 roles in an ensemble show be considered for leading actress in a season that that they already knew would include a female led Company, The Music Man, Funny Girl, and Caroline or Change?!?!? Let alone the notices Mare Winningham had already received. It also goes against the entire message of Six to have individual performances singled out for leading recognition. I find it hard to believe the producers would be naïve enough to purposely submit their actresses for a category they know they don't stand a chance in.

[VintageSnarker]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:12pm

Interesting how things shook out for Best Musical. A lot of choices but I wouldn't have picked those exact six. Best Original Score also feels generous. What are the rules again for how many nominations can be in category?

Funny Girl getting rejected from Best Revival...

I know people like GFTNC but with those other choices, it feels like the door is wide open for A Strange Loop to take Best Book of a Musical.

Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Play is an interesting spread recognizing people from throughout the season. The play nominations are nicely distributed among shows in general. It helps that a lot of notable performances could be deemed Featured.

With these nominees, Leading Role in a Musical could go any which way in both categories. I can't predict Actor in a Featured Role in a Musical either.

[gypsy101]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:13pm

ATerrifyingAndImposingFigure said: "All the actresses from Six were submitted as leads."

that’s one of the dumbest things i’ve ever heard lmao

 

Updated On: 5/9/22 at 01:13 PM

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:17pm

gypsy101 said: "that’s one of the dumbest things i’ve ever heard lmao"

What's dumb? That the six ladies were rightly submitted as Lead actresses? Or that certain performers –– all uniformly good with similar moments to shine –– did not rise above others?

Tony awards for acting are for individual achievements, not ensembles. You can take issue with there not being an ensemble category, but that's a totally different topic of conversation. The situations for Billy Elliot and Side Show were idiotic and the Tonys were right to do away with those old rules.

[ATerrifyingAndImposingFigure]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:21pm

VintageSnarker said: "I can't predict Actor in a Featured Role in a Musical either."

That's pretty easy, Matt Doyle is the clear frontrunner and in the chance of an upset, it would be John-Andrew Morrison.

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:21pm

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[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:23pm

A.J. Shively has now been in two flop musicals that overperformed on Tony morning, likely leading to longer runs that ultimately lose more money: BRIGHT STAR and PARADISE SQUARE.

Should he be considered a curse? Or a good luck charm?

[JBroadway]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:25pm

bdn223 said: "Do we know what went on behind the scenes with this?

I thought Producers submitted and petitioned the Queens to be considered for a joint best featured actress nomination, and the nominating committee decided they should individually considered for Leading Actress. What producer in their right mind would petition to have 6 roles in an ensemble show be considered for leading actress in a season that that they already knew would includea female ledCompany,The Music Man, Funny Girl,andCaroline or Change?!?!?Let alone the notices Mare Winningham had already received. It also goes against the entire message ofSixto have individual performances singled out for leading recognition. I find it hard to believe the producers would be naïve enough to purposely submit their actresses for a category they know they don't stand a chance in."

 

It's unclear whether the producers even bothered to request a joint nomination, considering joint nominations are now explicitly prohibited in the current Tony rules. Whether they asked for it or not is irrelevant, though you're right that they probably would've wanted a joint nomination if it had been allowed. 

As for the leading vs. featured: I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt that the Tony committee put them in the Leading category of their own accord. While it's not against the rules, it completely goes against established precedent when it comes to ensemble shows of this size (even some 3-person ensembles have gone entirely Featured). It seems highly likely that it was a request from the producers.

I'm guessing it was a symbolic gesture. They probably figured (correctly) that they had a good shot at a nice bundle of nominations even without any acting noms, and I'm guessing they felt it went against the spirit of the show and its messaging to campaign for any one of them to get nominated. They probably figured it would be too crowded either way, so they asked to be in leading as a symbolic gesture. 

Again, I'm just speculating based on the circumstantial evidence. 

Updated On: 5/9/22 at 01:25 PM

[RememberTheDay]

Posted: 5/9/22 at 1:27pm

binau said: "RememberTheDay said: "Luminaire2 said: "OH MY GOD SHOSHANA!!



I am so proud of her!"

SAME SAME SAME. So well deserved. I think either her or Simard will walk away with it."

There is no way this award is going to anyone except Patti LuPone!"

Perhaps! But a boy can dream :)