Posted: 5/9/22 at 9:02pm
Bayardelle was not widely unexpected. She was discussed all season, made at least two 11th hour prognosticators lists.
Posted: 5/9/22 at 9:04pm
A message from Jennifer Simard:
https://twitter.com/kkassal/status/1523763924797394944
Posted: 5/9/22 at 9:06pm
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "12 hours later, I just realized that SKIN OF OUR TEETH and DANA H did not get nominated for Best Revival and Best Play respectively. All day I thought they were because each got Directing, Acting, and Design noms and I can never keep all the nominees straight on day 1.
And to that I say: WTF!!!"
Completely agree (though I did notice right away, and was irritated).
Dana H I at least understand - it was a crowded category, closed in the fall, relied on found text, AND competing against its repertory counterpart. Not saying it didn’t deserve it, but there were plenty of reasons for it to be excluded.
Skin of Our Teeth, on the other hand, REALLY should’ve gotten in over American Buffalo, and (IMO) Take Me Out.
Posted: 5/9/22 at 9:23pm
HenryTDobson said: "With all the unexpected Paradise Square love, I think Kalukango has a real chance at winning this thing. She's easily the highlight of the show and it would be the best way to recognize the show. It's definitely between her and Clarke."
Both ladies were amazing! I do wonder how many of the 800 Tony voters got to see Caroline or Change back in the fall/early winter.
In order to vote in any award category, the Tony voter has to have seen each and every nominee perform right?
Posted: 5/9/22 at 10:24pm
BWayBabe said: "Mare Winningham may very well upset this category"
And I would be totally fine with that. She was incredible.
Posted: 5/10/22 at 12:13am
I’m still upset that Lenk was left out, also Elder. Both were way better than Foster and Grimes (of the ones I saw).
They really love “Paradise Square” and “MJ”, right? And hated “Funny Girl”.
All the love for “Paradise Square” will translate to a win for Mrs Kalukango, I can see this happening. The closed show factor will hurt Clarke.
I dont think we need 6 Best Musical nominees.
People were talking About “MJ” for Book, but “Paradise’s” book is a Frankenstein!
I truly believe Myles Frost can upset Jaquel. The show is a hit, he has the acclaim and its the perfect way to recognize.
Without internal competition, Doyle is winning the Tony, if he loses to someone, its because “Loop” is gonna sweep.
How “Skin of Our Teeth” got all techs, acting (yay, Gabby Beans!), directing but no revival? makes no sense!
The Three noms for “Lehman” in acting is bizarre, has this happen before in a leading category?
“The Minutes” should had been able to get Pendleton a nom
I still think Morse and Parker are winning lead in a play, but who gets Featured??
Posted: 5/10/22 at 12:46am
I have not seen most of the nominated shows yet (big trip is this summer) but I have to ask, was the book to Mrs. Doubtfire so bad that Paradise Square deserved a nom over it in that category? Just from everything I read, it seems like the Paradise book is not good at all and Doubtfire is a traditional book musical. Is its book really that bad?
Posted: 5/10/22 at 12:55am
HenryTDobson said: "With all the unexpected Paradise Square love, I think Kalukango has a real chance at winning this thing. She's easily the highlight of the show and it would be the best way to recognize the show. It's definitely between her and Clarke."
Totally agree. Despite all the hard work of the folks on and back stage, Paradise Square is still a bit of a mess, but Kalukango is simply spectacular and I do think she's got a shot at winning. She's a definite bright spot in the show!
Posted: 5/10/22 at 1:02am
Mr. Wormwood said: "I have not seen most of the nominated shows yet (big trip is this summer) but I have to ask, was the book to Mrs. Doubtfire so bad that Paradise Square deserved a nom over it in that category? Just from everything I read, it seems like the Paradise book is not good at all and Doubtfire is a traditional book musical. Is its book really that bad?"
Paradise square is a completely original musical - book and score. Mrs. Doubtfire… original music and an adapted book that’s not so original. Maybe the voters had that in mind when voting?
Posted: 5/10/22 at 1:04am
Wick3 said: "HenryTDobson said: "With all the unexpected Paradise Square love, I think Kalukango has a real chance at winning this thing. She's easily the highlight of the show and it would be the best way to recognize the show. It's definitely between her and Clarke."
Both ladies were amazing! I do wonder how many of the 800 Tony voters got to see Caroline or Change back in the fall/early winter.
In order to vote in any award category, the Tony voter has to have seen each and every nominee perform right?"
Wick, if I'm not mistaken, VOTERS are only SUPPOSED to vote in the categories where they've seen all of the nominated shows/elements, but there's nobody checking that (unlike NOMINATORS who are REQUIRED to see all of the shows and their attendance is tracked to confirm that they've seen the show). My guess is there are plenty of voters who don't see all of the shows, but vote in the category anyway. Nominators are also voters, so at least they've seen everything!
Posted: 5/10/22 at 1:21am
Shower Singer said: "Wick, if I'm not mistaken, VOTERS are only SUPPOSED to vote in the categories where they've seen all of the nominated shows/elements, but there's nobody checking that (unlike NOMINATORS who are REQUIRED to see all of the shows and their attendance is tracked to confirm that they've seen the show). My guess is there are plenty of voters who don't see all of the shows, but vote in the category anyway. Nominators are also voters, so at least they've seen everything!"
To correct a couple things... First, voters are checked. Does that mean there aren't some who cheat? There are also voters (and critics) who sometimes take naps while watching shows. The system is not foolproof. It's better than it used to be. I suppose we could install facial recognition cameras on the stage. Second, most nominators are not voters. Not that it matters because it's negligible anyway. I don't think the "problem" is as great as people want it to be. The truth is, most Tony voters want to see the shows. It is well to remember that voters are people who love theatre just like you do. If there is a problem, it is that many voters have financial or professional incentives to vote in a certain way. No way to stop that and I think that's an existential problem with the Tonys (especially).
Posted: 5/10/22 at 6:19am
Sharon D Clarke was not better than Tonya Pinkins who WAS ROBBED for the TONY. And Sharon is a black brit. Her accent was off for a southern black woman.
First of all, I loved Tonya's performance and can accept that she just ran into the buzzsaw that was Wicked.
But Sharon's performance has nothing to do with Tonya's. She's competing against the other actresses nominated in 2022, so it is irrelevant who you or any Tony voter think was better. Even if you do have to compare, they are very different versions of the character and both performances were effective for me.
Her accent sounded fine to my Alabama ears, not authentic, but fine. It's a tricky accent to get just right because there are so many regional variants, and people generally throw all the stereotypical pronunciations in even if they are not part of the same accent. Brits are actually thought to do US southern accents very well, as the two are very similar in a lot of ways.
Posted: 5/10/22 at 7:14am
Mr. Wormwood said: "I have not seen most of the nominated shows yet (big trip is this summer) but I have to ask, was the book to Mrs. Doubtfire so bad that Paradise Square deserved a nom over it in that category? Just from everything I read, it seems like the Paradise book is not good at all and Doubtfire is a traditional book musical. Is its book really that bad?"
I feel like Mrs. Doubtfire was really just mediocre and was in a position where they could be just in or just out of a lot of categories, and it ended up being the latter for all. Book and set over Paradise Square, score over Mr. Saturday Night, costumes over a couple of nominees. Probably another case of ambition vs quality, as a whole I would say Mrs Doubtfire was (in my opinion) higher quality than other nominees for these categories, but incredibly uninteresting which makes it hard to give Tony recognition to
Posted: 5/10/22 at 11:38am
For others who saw American Buffalo - how surprising is the Fishbourne snub to you? I thought he gave a really great performance, but it wasn't one that struck me as particularly notable or captivating. At least in direct comparison to his peer, Sam Rockwell seemed to be giving the much more interesting performance. How much of that is due to the writing and does/doesn't impact Fishbourne?
Also worthy to note is that this was the only play I've seen this season, so I can't compare their performances to the other nominees.
I would love to hear other people's thoughts!
Posted: 5/10/22 at 12:20pm
Also, people talking About Paradise Square winning the Tony. I mean, it didnt even got a Director nom, what was the last show to win without this? Its crutial!
If any show can beat “Loop”, its “MJ”, but its not happening either.
Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:18am
Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:25am
theblackumbrella said: "The closer we get, the more I think L Morgan Lee and John-Andrew Morrison have the potential of upsetting Patti LuPone and Matt Doyle’s supposed locks in the featured musical categories. I want “Company” to sweep, but think the historic nature of Lee’s win is definitely attractive to Tony voters. I also listened to “Periodically” on repeat this morning and this is where having cast recordings are helpful in reminding you the power of a performance."
I'm even wondering if Simard –– the most interesting performance in COMPANY imho –– could win over LuPone. A Katie Finneran vs Angela Lansbury situation (except those two weren't in the same show).
I hope John-Andrew Morrison will win over Doyle.
Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:27am
theblackumbrella said: "The closer we get, the more I think L Morgan Lee and John-Andrew Morrison have the potential of upsetting Patti LuPone and Matt Doyle’s supposed locks in the featured musical categories. I want “Company” to sweep, but think the historic nature of Lee’s win is definitely attractive to Tony voters. I also listened to “Periodically” on repeat this morning and this is where having cast recordings are helpful in reminding you the power of a performance."
I would love this, but I feel like there is no way that they are not going to give it to Patti. Though to be honest I've always felt like that role is literally just Patti..playing Patti and i've never understood the hype behind her performance. (Dont fight me). Kinda like Beyonce playing Beyonce in Dreamgirls. or Lady Gaga playing Lady Gaga in American Horror Story.
Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:28am
And I also dont want to have to deal with people on this board and in real life who will say "she only won because she's trans"
Posted: 6/7/22 at 11:48am
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "I'm even wondering if Simard –– the most interesting performance in COMPANY imho –– could win over LuPone. A Katie Finneran vs Angela Lansbury situation (except those two weren't in the same show)."
I think the difference there is that Katie Finneran won all the precursors on her way to the Tony over Lansbury, whereas Patti has won everything thus far.
Updated On: 6/7/22 at 11:48 AM
Posted: 6/7/22 at 12:35pm
theblackumbrella said:
"I think the difference there is that Katie Finneran won all the precursors on her way to the Tony over Lansbury, whereas Patti has won everything thus far."
If by "everything" you mean the OCC. Patti has only won one award this season so far since the Drama Desk's haven't even happened (them being after the Tonys have made this harder to predict). And I know she won the Olivier, but in terms of Broadway precursors there's been one ceremony so far where Patti was nominated. And L. Morgan Lee wasn't even eligible for it this year. I'm on the fence with the category still. I could really see Lee taking it. Her song to Usher was one of my favorite moments this season.
Posted: 6/7/22 at 12:54pm
The Tonys will vote however they want, without any major influence from the OCC or DD or DL or off-Bway awards.
Broadway precursors are not indicative in the way that the pre-Oscars awards are. These are largely different voting bodies of questionable taste/credentials. There have been plenty of people who won DD and OCC and then lost the Tony (remember FOLLIES 2012?)
This also comes down to how much we think the Tonys will love A STRANGE LOOP. If you're predicting JAMorrison or LMLee, then that probably means you are predicting it to win Musical, Book, Score, Actor, and possibly Director. I would like to see it make a big sweep, but I just don't know if the passion is there. MJ or SIX could very well win Musical, Myles Frost could win Actor, SIX could win Score, Company (or MJ) is probably winning Director, MJ probably cleans up in the design categories...etc. There's a world in which ASL wins 6-8 awards, or a world in which it only wins 1-2 (Book and perhaps one other).
Posted: 6/7/22 at 1:12pm
BCfitasafiddle said: "theblackumbrella said:
"I think the difference there is that Katie Finneran won all the precursors on her way to the Tony over Lansbury, whereas Patti has won everything thus far."
If by "everything" you mean the OCC. Patti has only won one award this season so far since the Drama Desk's haven't even happened (them being after the Tonys have made this harder to predict)."
Yeah that's my bad. Haha sorry about that.
Posted: 6/7/22 at 1:23pm
I hardly ever make predictions on here but I think the winners are going to be much more split than some people want them to be. I’m just going off conversations I’m having with people whose choices are much more aligned with “the general public”. Again, come Monday morning I could be totally off on what I’m seeing and hearing but I will just say I put “Six” down on my ballots as the big winner of the night and also Myles for the win.
So we shall se what happens… *shrug*
Posted: 6/7/22 at 3:53pm
benfox2 said: "For others who saw American Buffalo - how surprising is the Fishbourne snub to you? I thought he gave a really great performance, but it wasn't one that struck me as particularly notable or captivating. At least in direct comparison to his peer, Sam Rockwell seemed to be giving the much more interesting performance. How much of that is due to the writing and does/doesn't impact Fishbourne?
Also worthy to note is that this was the only play I've seen this season, so I can't compare their performances to the other nominees.
I would love to hear other people's thoughts!"
Fishburne was definitely a grounding force for the whole show, but the amount of potential nominees was already a stacked deck and, not knowing they were going to nominate 7 this year, I’m happy that Rockwell got the nod because he is EXPLOSIVE. He could’ve been easily shut out if they decided to stick to five nominees and all of the Lehman men got in
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