Broadway Casting Director Fired for Sexual Misconduct - Page 6

[newintown]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:11pm

I guess "guilty by rumor until proven innocent" is the new normal.

[haterobics]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:13pm

Anakela said: "haterobics said: "disneybroadwayfan22 said: "My only hope is that child actors aren’t among victims."

Should we really start makingup worst case scenarios?"



Anthony Edwards

Anthony Rapp

https://twitter.com/JennyHatch/status/936579915213705216"

Yes, but the discussion is about the forthcoming story, which isn't specifically about underage performers (as far as we know yet). So to start doomcasting it in advance seems a bit weird.

[Kad]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:16pm

newintown said: ""No one seems particularly happy about it."

Well, dramamama611 just wrote "Good" in response to Telsey being let go fromMy Fair LadyandCarousel... That sounds "happy," doesn't it?"

Well, dramama611 is certainly not everyone.

 

[dramamama611]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:17pm

(Whew!  A lot of weight to carry on my shoulders.)

[newintown]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:17pm

Is dramamama611 anyone?

[dramamama611]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:19pm

Gee, thanks.

[KathyNYC2]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:23pm

newintown said: "Is dramamama611anyone?"

I'm sure her family thinks she's wonderful. What else is there?

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:24pm

newintown said: "Is dramamama611anyone?"

Why so rude?

[newintown]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:28pm

The lack of a sense of humor around here has become endemic.

[Feste]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:31pm

How is degrading another person humorous?  It's actually pretty nasty.  You don't even know her. Not funny. 

[newintown]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:39pm

The horses are getting higher and higher and higher every second...

[Feste]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:44pm

Well, best of luck with your career in comedy. 

[newintown]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:46pm

And the glorious banners of self-righteousness fly proudly in the clear air of smugness.

[Feste]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:47pm

That's much more entertaining!  Good job! 

[haterobics]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:50pm

newintown said: "I guess "guilty by rumor until proven innocent" is the new normal."

Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for a criminal complaint, not retaining one's job.

[newintown]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 3:54pm

"Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for a criminal complaint, not retaining one's job."

I find it to be a good moral standard in general, but - you know - chacun à son goût.

It is also, interestingly (or not), an international human right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Updated On: 12/1/17 at 03:54 PM

[JudyDenmark]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 4:09pm

newintown said: ""Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for a criminal complaint, not retaining one's job."

I find it to be a good moral standard in general, but - you know -chacunàson goût.

It is also, interestingly (or not),an international human right under the UN'sUniversal Declaration of Human Rights."

But with all of these firings (in all industries it's hit so far), I haven't seen any where the general consensus from people in the know isn't "yeah, sounds about right." People aren't getting fired for one grey area mistake... it's clear that all of them have been a long time coming for clearly inappropriate behavior. When a whole industry is saying there's smoke and that it's no surprise, I'm inclined to believe them. 

[behindthescenes2]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 4:23pm

Gee, imagine someone having to give a hand job or blow job or a piece of behind to get a part, climb a ladder to stardom and fame, or just make a meager living in show business, not only on stage but behind it too. The  history of theatre, dance, music, and art is overwhelmingly  stuffed with this behavior all levels, and we are just now, really just now coming to terms with this?  It's so hollow and filled with self-aggrandisment and opportunistic vengeance served with cold litigious blackmail.  It makes me want to gather all of these "victims" into a room and say, "Did not one of you have a spine or a well of personal integrity to just slap the **** out of these individuals who stepped over the line and just maybe say, "if you want to keep that thing attached, you better put it away?"  I am not talking about people who were physically overwhelmed, or at a disadvantage by being drugged or drunk, but people who had a moment of personal decision and discretion.  I am not blaming the victim - so shut up about that.  The people who say they were victimized - could they be a bit guilty of making the wrong decision, or maybe just too desirous of their quest for fame and fortune that it overrides their senses of what might put their mental state or person in danger, and thus allowed to be exempt from all personal responsibility for their own personal decisions in life? Are we now demanding reparations for every real and perceived slight with regards to sexual intent, or does it also include just moments for hollering, shouting, and emotional outbursts we show one another out of frustration or not being understood in an emotional exchange?  Will we have to go all the way back to Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripides, Johnson, Shakespeare, Davanant, Wycherly, Etheridge, Marlowe,Strindberg,Wilde, Ibsen, Miller, Williams,Brecht, Mamet, Lawrence and Vidal, just to start with playwrights; then move on to directors, Fosse, Robbins, Olivier, Robert Wilson, Zefferelli, Belasco, Peter Hall, George Abbott, John Dexter, Eva LaGalliene, Noel Coward, Nicholas Hytner,Lloyd Richards, John Logan, and John Hausmann, (including those on the great white way in the last 10 years Nicolaw, Wolfe, Montello, Nunn, etc , not to mention the choreographers, set designers, and costume designers, hair designers, lighting designers, and the broadway producers - a list that according to the criteria used today by the public, lawyers, and media would set the existing theatre world on fire.  I am not saying the ones mentioned or not mentioned are to be worried, but are all these people  now to be under vast review and scrutiny, and every little indiscreet gesture or innuendo, or casual flirtation will be a cause to put them in jail, and/or subject them to public humiliation and shame and financial ruin?  I can hear it now, "You are  blaming the victim - shame on you, we'll have your comments deleted because your comments are so offensive that we cannot exchange in civil discourse if we don't like what you are saying."  Delete it if it makes you feel better, doesn't make it correct or right, but hey it also doesn't make this discourse go away either.

[haterobics]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 4:29pm

behindthescenes2 said: "Gee, imagine someone having to..."

You can't even imagine finding your return key.

[raddersons]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 4:38pm

As far as the company getting sacked... These kinds of things tend to be open secrets. If higher ups see this behavior and do nothing about it, they are complicit. These individual issues tend to stem from company culture issues, not just individuals. EDIT: If they don't stem from company culture issues, they are certainly exacerbated and permitted to thrive by them

Updated On: 12/1/17 at 04:38 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 4:42pm

behindthescenes2 said: "It's so hollow and filled with self-aggrandisment and opportunistic vengeance served with cold litigious blackmail. It makes me want to gather all of these "victims" into a room and say, "Did not one of you have a spine or a well of personal integrity to just slap the **** out of these individuals who stepped over the line and just maybe say, "if you want to keep that thing attached, you better put it away?"

[...]

I am not blaming the victim - so shut up about that."

I'll let your own words do the talking.

 

[mariel9]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 5:04pm

It is also, interestingly (or not), an international human right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Interestingly, the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the criminal justice standard for determining guilt do not apply to public opinion or employment decisions. There is a spectrum of proof from "none" to "beyond a reasonable doubt," and employers (and the public) are perfectly within their rights to use a standard between the two when deciding who to fire and who not to support. I hate it when people drag legal standards into issues where they don't actually apply, but since you did that--if we were talking about a court case, if these women sued their abusers, the standard in a civil suit is not "beyond a reasonable doubt." If you're talking about applying criminal or UN standards to workplace harassment and assault in situations where multiple women (and some men) have come forward about egregious abuses of power, then you're protecting the abusers.

Well, dramamama611 just wrote "Good" in response to Telsey being let go fromMy Fair LadyandCarousel... That sounds "happy," doesn't it?"

Maybe she thinks it's a good thing when companies that have shielded known abusers suffer repercussions. In most (or all) of the recently publicized stories, a secondary part of the story has been that the abusive behavior was common knowledge. It sounds like this is the same. Companies ignored complaints, paid out settlements, and retaliated against the victims in order to protect the abuser. The companies, not just the individual abusers, are responsible.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 5:51pm

behindthescenes2 said: "The history of theatre, dance, music, and artis overwhelmingly stuffed with this behavior all levels, and we are just now, really just now coming to terms with this? It's so hollow and filled with self-aggrandisment and opportunistic vengeance served with cold litigious blackmail. "

This. And it's coming from all sides in the business. Yes, also from people who call themselves victims now. 

It really is not only talent that gets you to the top.

 

 

[newintown]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 5:54pm

As I stated clearly eatlier, I know that “innocent until proven guilty” is a legal term, but I find that’s it’s a good general moral guide as well. Too bad that needs to be repeated, but everyone has their own axe to grind, I suppose, in this Age of Bloody Axes Galore.

Part 2: I may have missed something, but who has accused Telsey of “sheltering” anyone? (Of course, we all know that as soon as any one person makes that accusation, there will be many who will instantly find everyone at Telsey guilty - in their minds, in nowhere else.)

This Circus of Vicious & Self-Righteous Moral Superiority is a fascinating show.

Updated On: 12/1/17 at 05:54 PM

[GeorgeandDot]

Posted: 12/1/17 at 6:02pm

I'm certain this goes beyond just casting directors.