Broadway League To Resume Releasing Weekly Grosses- Page 4

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 3/22/22 at 7:58pm

"Same here, Shirtless Jake."

Lolz. My God. 

 

 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 3/22/22 at 8:23pm

why if Girl From the North Country trying to return? Those numbers are worse than Diana's. Not sure about Doubtfire, either. They'll probably do okay during the summer, but I can't see it sticking out through the Fall.

Jagged's advance must have been really bad for the to not return. They should have taken a hiatus instead of GFTNC.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 3/22/22 at 8:33pm

OhHiii said: "MadsonMelo said: "Those CFA’s numbers are no good."

CFA is pretty cheap to run I'd bet. Aside from the weeks they cancelled perfs, I don't know if they went under their nut more than maybe twice."

Twice is all it takes to activate the stop clause, which can be invoked at any time after initially meeting the criteria (shows with lower overhead likely have different criteria, since a landlord isn't going to want to keep a ¼ full house open even if a show meets its weekly costs). But if nothing is ready to come in, it's irrelevant. Although, the Schoenfeld is one of the most in-demand houses for plays and small musicals.

We also can't discount the increase in operating costs for every show: many shows hired additional swings, plus the bi-weekly testing, as well as covid staff. Not to mention the costs associated with canceled performances. That certainly would reduce profit ratios. 

[jkcohen626]

Posted: 3/22/22 at 9:23pm

Finally got home and am looking over stuff:

1. As far as CFA, the Schoenfeld is definitely a great house and CFA isn't making as much as you can there. But I don't think they'll be kicked out simply because the Shuberts have so many open theatres for the fall. The Booth, Golden, Imperial, Shubert, Jones, Broadhurst, Longacre, and Broadway all have nothing scheduled for the fall yet with only Kimberly Akimbo announced to be taking one of them. Let's be honest too, there is a solid change the Barrymore and Belasco will also be available sooner rather than later. 

2. Hadestown last week was 3 performances canceled, it was their Wednesday matinee and both Saturday shows. Definitely explains what was going on there and they had a very impressive week last week! 

3. Music Man and Plaza Suite are simultaneously bonkers and expected. 

4. Company seems to be doing pretty well, besides the week Patti was out, but I'm not sure it's as well as it needs to be doing to support such a large number of principal cast members and such a technically advanced show. 

5. I know first weeks aren't everything... but that is a rough first week for Paradise Square. Even if they get good word of mouth and reviews, they probably need to be making at least 3x last week. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 3/22/22 at 9:53pm

A lot to digest in one quickish reading. I think, in general, the top is as good as (or better than) expected, and the bottom is pretty bad. I'd say the news in this is that the middle is better than I expected. I also think that at least some of the evergreens are doing somewhat better than I expected.

A couple things to consider as we pour over these numbers. First, for the post holiday frames, there have been a pretty small number of shows running, especially if we take out the "fungible" shows [the non-blockbuster, non-solid evergreen ones]. That has helped some (but not all) of those shows. Second, for the shows that seem to be struggling or middling, remember that these numbers are gross grosses. If we take 10% off the top, some of the numbers are pretty scary. 

Fingers crossed for the next dozen frames. 

[VintageSnarker]

Posted: 3/23/22 at 12:10pm

jkcohen626 said: "1. As far as CFA, the Schoenfeld is definitely a great house and CFA isn't making as much as you can there. But I don't think they'll be kicked out simply because the Shuberts have so many open theatres for the fall."

If a show really wanted the theater, wouldn't it be easy for CFA to move?

[JSquared2]

Posted: 3/23/22 at 12:14pm

VintageSnarker said: "jkcohen626 said: "1. As far as CFA, the Schoenfeld is definitely a great house and CFA isn't making as much as you can there. But I don't think they'll be kicked out simply because the Shuberts have so many open theatres for the fall."

If a show really wanted the theater, wouldn't it be easy for CFA to move?"

 

Sure, as long as someone is willing to foot the $1M+ bill to pay for that move.  

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 3/23/22 at 12:19pm

VintageSnarker said: "jkcohen626 said: "1. As far as CFA, the Schoenfeld is definitely a great house and CFA isn't making as much as you can there. But I don't think they'll be kicked out simply because the Shuberts have so many open theatres for the fall."

If a show really wanted the theater, wouldn't it be easy for CFA to move?"

Any show that could play the Schoenfeld could also play 5 other Shubert houses. There is no picking and choosing when it comes to theatres, unless you have a MASSIVE title with a star who gets their choice of theatre. And even that has limitations.

It would be so idiotic to move CFA to a different theatre at this point in its run.

If it gets to the point where CFA is consistently bleeding money, its producers would be sensible to close it for the sake of their investors. Or, the Shuberts will step in and nudge them out if they have enough new shows that want houses, with or without the Stop Clause. The Stop Clause is rarely invoked; it's more a conversation/threat where the theatre owner says "we both know your show is doing **** business, you have X amount of time before you need to vacate." And the majority of sensible producers will be (a) on the same page about needing to close the show, and (b) not want to ruin relations with the landlord.

[Jarethan]

Posted: 3/23/22 at 1:06pm

Is there a reason why Moulin Rouge is not listed?  In the absence of date, /i would assume that they really got hit hard, but who knows.

[JBroadway]

Posted: 3/23/22 at 1:30pm

Jarethan said: "Is there a reason why Moulin Rouge is not listed? In the absence of date, /i would assume that they really got hit hard, but who knows."

 

It is listed, and the full numbers are available here: 

https://www.broadwayleague.com/research/grosses-broadway-nyc/520640/54874/

[Wick3]

Posted: 3/23/22 at 1:34pm

I see Moulin Rouge but can’t see Book of Mormon and Hadestown.

https://www.broadwayworld.com/grosses.cfm

Personally I’m ok not seeing gross potential in the data since a lot of productions use dynamic pricing nowadays.

I’m very happy for Music Man but I am curious of its  weekly nugget.

 

[JBroadway]

Posted: 3/23/22 at 1:45pm

Again, both of those shows are shown on the Broadway League website. 

https://www.broadwayleague.com/research/grosses-broadway-nyc/

Remember that BroadwayWorld, Playbill, etc. are all just copying this data from the Broadway League. These online publications had a ton of data dumped on them yesterday, after having not dealt with show-by-show grosses in 2 years. So it makes sense that there might be some errors - better to get it straight from the horse's mouth. 

[KathyNYC2]

Posted: 3/24/22 at 2:06am

VintageSnarker said: "GiantsInTheSky2 said: "I’m still wondering why people are so eager to see these numbers from a period of time that have so many other factors involved than just, “the show isn’t selling”. Like, okay, we’ll now know that Show A was selling slightly more than Show B…but that doesn’t give us any real indication on it from a business perspective because of everything that has been going on. It just seems weird to me."

I don’t have much interest in comparing but there are some “whys” for the shows I’m interested in. How big was the drop off for Ain’t Too Proud and when did it start? What were the numbers like for Doubtfire that would help explain the hiatus? Was Waitress doing well coming off the Jennifer Nettles run or was there already a slump that made the decision to close early easier?"

Waitress numbers dropped as soon as Sara left. But the actual reason to close early was numerous cases of Covid during the holidays and it probably didn’t pay to play the guessing game of when the company would be healthy enough to come back with just a little over a week to go. There may have been a slight upward trend at the end with Josh Henry and Ciara Renee. It was sad for all I’m sure. 

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 3/24/22 at 2:55am

I've been on the Broadway League's website, looking at the grosses of the shows that are currently running. But how do you find the grosses of the shows that aren't, like ''Girl From the North Country'' and ''Mrs. Doubtfire''? Thanks in advance!

Updated On: 3/24/22 at 02:55 AM

[dramamama611]

Posted: 3/24/22 at 9:37am

Oh, nvm....I see the shows you asked about AREN'T showing up there, either.  VERY odd.

Updated On: 3/24/22 at 09:37 AM

[ACL2006]

Posted: 3/24/22 at 10:10am

You can search any show in the search feature and their entire history will show up.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 3/24/22 at 10:43am

Wayman_Wong said: "I've been on the Broadway League's website, looking at the grosses of the shows that are currently running. But how do you find the grosses of the shows that aren't, like ''Girl From the North Country'' and ''Mrs. Doubtfire''? Thanks in advance!"

go to https://www.broadwayleague.com/research/grosses-broadway-nyc/

click on the (gray background) "Search Grosses" link (it's right above "weekly grosses by show"

click on the dropdown menu for "show" and find what you are looking for, click it, then click the red "Search NYC Grosses" arrow and voilà.

[Wayman_Wong]

Posted: 3/24/22 at 5:23pm

HogansHero, thanks so much for your instructions. I would've never found those figures without your help. That gray bar was key, and the words ''Search Grosses'' was hard to see against that background. And then getting that long, long alphabetical droplist of shows. They sure don't make it easy, but the info IS there!

Updated On: 3/24/22 at 05:23 PM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 3/24/22 at 6:17pm

@Wayman, if I were the conspiracy theory type, I'd think there was intention in their choices (especially the light gray one).