Congestion pricing will destroy broadway — Page 3

NJGUY said: "Unoriginal juke box musicals, unnecessary revivals and the attempted wokeness of straight plays will kill Broadway a lot sooner than $15 added to the entertainment bill."



You had me at unoriginal.

Dreamboy3 said: "quizking101 said: "I think I would be more amenable to the congestion price scheme if it was mutually beneficial between NY and NJ. If the goal is to push people toward mass transit, I feel like it should benefit NJ Transit as well as the MTA."

New Jersey is free to adopt a plan analogous to the one in New York…

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NJ won't even protect their own Uber and Lyft drivers. Cars with NJ plates coming in to NYC can't pick up a fare going back to NJ because NYC's T&LC won't allow it. That's their right. But NY cars constantly go into NJ and EWR trying to pick up fares and NJ does nothing about it.

Patti LuPone FANatic said: "As a tourist, how would my taxi fare be affected? I used to take Supershuttle, but would have to wait too long to get to my hotel. I prefer taking a taxi from La Guardia to a hotel in Midtown. Considering how much I have to shell out for my airfare, hotel and theatre tickets, I can deal with a $15 charge. BTW, I hope to visit NYC sometime in mid March, so I can see "Smash"."

You will pay a mere 75 cents more in a Taxi, per the NYT:

Riding in a taxi, green cab or black car will now cost passengers an extra 75 cents in the congestion zone, which runs from 60th Street south to the Battery. The surcharge for an Uber or Lyft will be $1.50 per trip. Cars on Franklin D. Roosevelt Drive and on the West Side Highway, which run along the edges of Manhattan, will not face charges as long as drivers do not enter the tolling zone.

I'm sure folks having $200 -$300 per ticket will be able to afford an extra few dollars.

I take the subway or walk.

the lack of any exceptions to this tax for certain income brackets, or certain public servants, is just wild

It's also not true and one minute of research would have helped ya out 😘

https://new.mta.info/tolls/congestion-relief-zone/discounts-exemptions

Updated On: 1/5/25 at 05:40 PM

PipingHotPiccolo said: "The exceptions speak for themselves, and prove my point, so thanks for the link:Low income residents of Manhattan get discounts AFTER paying at least $90/month; cops/firefighters do NOT get discounts for their personal vehicles; the exemptions for disabled individuals requires an arduous application process, and isnt really an exemption- its likely necessary to comply with Federal law; there is no discount at all for middle class people living in Manhattan--you could literally be priced out of *coming home at night*"

Why would personal vehicles of Cops/Firefighters get exemptions? And how many low income people are driving in NYC let alone disabled people? Let's be entirely honest, owning and driving a car on a regular basis in this city for personal use is an upper class luxury.

Updated On: 1/5/25 at 06:46 PM

Why would personal vehicles of Cops/Firefighters get exemptions?

Oh, they know how dumb that sounds, they just needed something to make up to avoid being incorrect.

the lack of any exceptions to this tax for certain income brackets, or certain public servants, is just wild-

30 minutes later....

The exceptions speak for themselves

🤣🤣🤣

It's always amusing and adorable when an adult can't admit being wrong 😄

Updated On: 1/5/25 at 07:44 PM

to clarify, i dont think congestion pricing will harm, let alone destroy, broadway. i made the mistake, again, of thinking adults capable of nuance were present, but alas, we have Sutton, so proudly incapable of confronting factual points with anything other than snark (and bad snark at that- there *are not* exemptions for the people i referenced, but facts are frustrating, i know).


JSquared, yes, I do, and I was born/raised in Manhattan in such circumstance (we didnt have a car, but we had neighbors who did--to get to their jobs often outside manhattan). If its not a common occurrence, then it would be easy to exempt these people, no?

And its always eye opening to see the bubbles we live in (myself included, i suppose). But do you think all the firefighters and school teachers and police (i could go on and on) that work in manhattan also live in manhattan? You dont know that MANY of them drive in from Staten or Long Island? Often with lots of heavy gear, in the case of firefighters? Its just shocking to me that this would be news to anyone, but here we are.

and all this in response to me AGREEING that congestion pricing is a good thing, but pointing out the way it wasnt tailored all that well for some ppl. But, again, nuance, impossible for some brains. And yall wonder why we keep losing elections.

Updated On: 1/5/25 at 10:41 PM

i take the subway every day. i dont have a car in the city and i have lived here my whole life. lecturing me about a robust public transport system is rich--especially because the VERY PURPOSE of the congestion pricing is to improve our woefully underfunded, inadequate and inconvenient transportation system, that pales in comparison to other cities'. there are whole swaths of suburbs that are not easily accessible by public transport, and you rely on the people who live in those places to run this city, but again, an inconvenient truth you'd prefer to ignore. no worries.

you are simply wrong about how many people drive into manhattan and wildly out of touch if you think the current public transport from Staten Island, central NJ, and parts of Long Island, is easy and workable for everyone. The firefighters are an excellent example (they dont live in manhattan, commute here every day, and often lug their stuff) and in fact, the FDNY unions are loudly complaining about this very fact, but you know better, i'm sure, and in any event you seem unwilling to even acknowledge that maybe there are some downsides to a policy that you otherwise support (as i do).

this is a very childish, and ultimately unproductive, way of seeing the world (only rich people commute into the city in their cars--- as if the daily packed bridges and tunnels are full of wealthy people in fancy cars only, a comically and demonstrably false assumption) but i guess you're entitled to believe whatever you want. i just wish you were capable of even the tiniest amount of empathy for the people that will be negatively impacted by this tax (even if you support it anyway, as i do) but that seems too much to ask in a black/white world of silly self-righteousness---where either congestion pricing has NO DOWNSIDES WHATSOEVER TO ANYONE or its going to somehow DESTROY BROADWAY. this board, and society in general, in a nutshell.

Updated On: 1/5/25 at 11:30 PM

Yes a $9 toll is going to destroy a broadway where people pay $500 for seats (eye roll)

TheatreFan4 said: "That being said, it is the ONLY public transit in this country that is actually usable in daily life."

I think those in Chicago and DC would dispute this point despite the complaints about the CTA and the WMATA.

Updated On: 1/6/25 at 09:01 AM

TheatreFan4 said: "PipingHotPiccolo said: "And its always eye opening to see the bubbles we live in (myself included, i suppose). But do you think all the firefighters and school teachers and police (i could go on and on) that work in manhattan also live in manhattan? You dont know that MANY of them drive in from Staten or Long Island? Often with lots of heavy gear, in the case of firefighters? Its just shocking to me that this would be news to anyone, but here we are."

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but there is a ROBUST Public Transportation system in this city that most of those people use. I work with people from all over the boroughs (and even from Long Island) in Manhattan and yes they all use trains including the doctors who financially have no reason to. If you are DRIVING in from Long Island to work you are both financially able to do so and do it as a convenience to yourself to not have to use public transit. There are people from Long Island, Jersey, Staten Island who all work in Manhattan and are on Trains before they ever reach the Island. Fire Fighters are not driving into their Fire House from home with their equipment, that is exactly why they have a FIRE HOUSE. Have you ever actually been outside? You seem very confused on how this city (and really any profession) operates."



Wait a minute -- are you saying that the NYFD does NOT have to carry their uniforms, hoses, gear and ladders with them back and forth from home?? Having FIRE HOUSES to keep them in makes SO much more sense!!

I learn something new on this board every day!

Penna2 said: "SeanD2 said: "No it won't. And people need to learn to take public transportation."

Small problem with that is the violence taking place on the subways. More people are driving because of the crime."



You are talking about people who live outside of the city and rarely take subway anyway. Owning a car in the city is extremely cost prohibitive even if you are in a relatively high tax bracket. Very few new yorkers own a car or even have a driver's license. The rest of us keep taking subway which is as packed during rush hours as it was pre-pandemic. I commute 4 days a week in Manhattan and plan to do so as long as I work and live in the city. Again, people who drive are not from the city. Even prior to this streak of violence on the subway, these people preferred driving to taking public transport. The less cars are on the streets, the better. All they do is killing pedestrians, cyclists and contribute to the air and noise pollution.