I now hate people who say I Now Hate GLEE — Page 2

Meh, it's exactly what I expected from a Ryan Murphy show--a headwriter who has proven he always loses all control over his show. A good/decent first season (or first half season) and then charactes acting out of character, doing the same thing constantly, weird mixed double messages (does he think teens should drink or not? have sex or not? is it ok to mock the creepy Jew but not ok to mock other Jews or other minorities?) and absolutely no sese of direction (he's admitted proudly that he breaks up and puts couples together when he gets bored). He should let his shows be run by someone else--Nip/Tuck was always over the top, but its first season it seemed to knwo what it was doing--by the end it was just unwatchable.

That said, I enjoy the production numbers more often than not, and I keep watching. Meh.

AND, I actually kinda do hate how now it seems trendy for everyone to say that they USED to like Glee, like somehow that's a cool bragging right too.

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Also kind of tragic that the medium of television has taught us that Matthew Morrison is really only very good from a great distance. This makes me sad."!

HA! But it's sadly kinda true. It doesn't help that his character is particularly ill conceived. Is a cool teacher who knows and loves modern music? Or is he in another episode a teacher who only knows dated 70s tunes? Is he smart about human nature? or braindead? Does he care about his students, or barely flinch when he sees one pushed up against a locker?

I'm an unashamed lover of the show. People who say it's awful all the time really have no idea what they're talking about. It is consistently awful, to be certain. Yet it's often surprisingly poignant and funny. It's just a really bi-polar show, alternating between awful and great sometimes several times within the same episode. If they could just harness things in, it could be a great show.

The first half of season one was it's high point, unfortunately. It's been largely downhill since, with sporadic episodes that harken back to those episodes.

Glee is not without its problems (which were mostly evident in the latter half of the first season) but to call it 'garbage' is nonsense.

It is very well made. It is INCREDIBLY, fundamentally, and pivotally self-aware, both of itself as a piece of television and as a part of pop culture. It is I believe deceptively sophisticated television - both in terms of dramaturgy and content. It is also incredibly queer television; probably the queerest programme ever to become part of the zeitgeist. That in itself is extraordinary.

Of course it’s not realistic, and to complain that the plotting and characters in Glee are inconsistent and not true to life misses the point completely. Of course, everybody's free to not like it, but to accuse it of not being any good? Whaddya talk?

Glee is good.

Updated On: 3/17/11 at 08:26 AM

I appreciate Glee for doing what it has done, and I try not to fault anyone who loves the show. However, I cannot bring myself to listen to that ****ing auto-tuned crap.

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Hating Glee says more about the hater than Glee.

"Hating Glee says more about the hater than Glee."


That's actually very true.

For the past couple of years, whenever anyone questions my taste or the validity of my artistic opinions, if I'm not in the mood for a lengthy discussion, I'll say, "Well... 'Glee' is total crap."

And everyone responds the same way: "I'm sorry I ever doubted your judgment."

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Love the horrendous Glee, Joe, nobody's stopping you.

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Joe, you are absolutely right. "The Office" is also total crap, which is why I do not watch it and would put it right alongside "Glee" in terms of quality, registering many of the same complaints. If there were a thread about "The Office" on this board, I would be saying exactly what you're saying people are not saying because I have said it many times in the past.

The argument that "MOST television is total crap" is not an argument *for* "Glee." Lordy, I hope it isn't.

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Back when I used to eviscerate the odious Will & Grace, a friend I love with taste I trust implicitly would say, "Dude, it's just a TV show." It was that same false equivalency created when somebody says, "Well, ALL TV is bad, you're an idiot for liking anything on TV or taking anything seriously at all on TV without first establishing that you are so far above it all, you can't believe anybody with critical faculties would waste them on TELEVISION of all things."

The other night this friend was discussing the greatness of Modern Family when we got into a long discussion on Mitch and Cameron and he added, "Oh, and I get what you meant about Will & Grace now."

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"The point is that only THIS show seems to bring out the crazy haters."

::forehead slapping::

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Well that's cause everyone has a TV. And, frankly, I haven't seen a single film in the last, say, five years that has affected me as much as Mad Men. Or scared me as much as The Walking Dead. Or has moved me as much as...yes...Glee.

I think the first two speak for themselves. And I've stated on this site why I love Glee. It remindes me of a time when (sorry Steve) everything was possible and nothing made sense. It reminds of the time when I discovered I was good at something...really good. And that changed everything in my life. Everything. I can tell you without fear of contradiction that, had I not found my voice as a singer and performer, I would not have found the love of my life. It never would have happened. And right now...I'm so grateful that I had that. And Glee reminds me of how it all began.

Someone was right when they said you learn more about the people who hate Glee than the show itself. But it works the other way, too. I recognize all its faults...and it still makes me feel something deeply about myself.

People should feel free to hate on it as loudly as they want. It doesn't take away from my love for it. Cause I know exactly why I love it.