Into the Woods Official Movie Thread- Page 198

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 12:37pm

If the Baker was 15, how did he not know he had a sibling?

Where is the link to Lapine's public declarations about the plot holes?

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 1:26pm

Not sure if the movie is BAFTA eligible. Did it open soon enough in UK?

Updated On: 1/9/15 at 01:26 PM

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 1:30pm

It received BAFTA nominations for costumes and makeup, but that's it.

I think I'm more happy that the film is doing well at the box office even if it's not receiving much awards love.

Hey, it's in good company.

Singin' in the Rain is often considered to be the best film musical ever made, and it received exactly two Oscar nominations: for Best Supporting Actress (Jean Hagen) and Best Scoring of a Musical Picture.

[jacobsnchz14]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 1:47pm

From the Walt Disney Records Facebook...

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 1:51pm

Besty, that definitely puts things in perspective. Still, I'd love to see it recognized in an acting category since the acting was so spectacular across the board. I'm particularly bummed out about the little recognition Blunt is getting. You are right though, the box office success does more for its longevity, and sometimes awards make it easy for people to dismiss a movie as "overrated" (just look at the hate CHICAGO has amounted over the years).

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 1:55pm

Best12, I didn't know that.

Bizzaro.

Particularly bizarre in that Singin' in the Rain was ranked in the top ten movies of all time by the AFI in 2007 and was twice ranked by Sight and Sound in the top ten movies of all time.

Not only that, it lost the Golden Globe for best musical or comedy to.... wait for it..... With a Song in my Heart!

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 2:50pm

There was a backlash in Hollywood toward Gene Kelly after "An American in Paris" won Best Picture over A Streetcar Named Desire and A Place In the Sun. It went right to his head, and many who knew him and loved him, said he was a real jerk during that time. (They used harsher words.) His jerkiness started earlier, and some feel he was unjustly recognized by the Academy with his only Oscar nomination for Best Actor in Anchors Aweigh (1945). So by 1952 (the year after An American in Paris), they didn't really feel like recognizing him again. The picture was snubbed by Oscar voters and even the critics awards didn't give much love. It only scored two Golden Globe nominations (including a win for Donald O'Connor as Best Actor). But nothing for Kelly.

So many things from timing to public opinion play into these votes ... still Singin' in the Rain has stood the test of time and comes out on top of the best movie musicals ever made.

2 Oscar nominations, 0 wins.

Updated On: 1/9/15 at 02:50 PM

[Larcen26]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 2:52pm

@"Phyllis Rogers Stone"

I never said the Baker was 15 when his mother died/when Rapunzel was born.

I figure that was at least how old he was when his father had the baking accident. It just cleans up the question of who raised him...which is unimportant really, but it was being discussed.

He was likely a baby or toddler at most when the beans were stolen.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 2:53pm

Besty--I still can't believe Singing in the Rain was nominated for Best Picture. Do you have any insight into studio politics at the time or know why it didn't receive a nomination? Wasn't the Freed unit respected at the time? Weren't Donen and Kelly respected? Was it considered an insult to any of them?

[Nikeca]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 3:00pm

Exaclty!!! People should stop looking for flaws and just enjoy things as they are ... :)

[J_Jammer]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 3:01pm

That's why Oscars don't matter in the long run. They suck at picking movies that have staying power...movies that turn classic.

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 3:06pm

Hey, PJ --- I just posted a little about that (above). We were probably writing at the same time.

My one "real" connection from back then was a key member of the publicity department at MGM. He was there during Singin' in the Rain and also the big publicity switch from Brigadoon to Seven Brides, which he described as a nightmare.

He said there was a lot of backlash internally against Kelly. He was difficult to work with, from co-stars to cameramen to PR folks, he made their lives miserable.

There was one other factor in 1952 ... Singin' in the Rain was performing well at the box office and didn't need the extra "awards love" help. But another MGM movie did need help --- "Ivanhoe," which was an expensive A-list movie, performing poorly at the box office.

The budgets had been slashed when Dore Schary took over in 1951 and tried to bring the studio back "in the black" again.

So they actually pulled some of the publicity money from Singin' in the Rain and put it into Ivanhoe to push it for Oscar consideration, which worked. It did get nominated for Best Picture, despite being a so-so film.

And with Brigadoon, the studio spent a fortune on it with all those elaborate sets, but when it began performing poorly at the box office, the PR department abandoned ship and focused on a low-budget musical that got great reviews and became a huge hit --- Seven Brides For Seven Brothers.

Updated On: 1/9/15 at 03:06 PM

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 3:15pm

Ah, the irony of oscar politics. I'm the first to agree that giving An American in Paris an oscar, especially over Streetcar and A Place in the Sun, is preposterous. But that doesn't change the fact that Singin' in the Rain is a brilliant movie - and with the exception of High Noon, far better than the best picture also-rans of 1953 (Ivanhoe, Moulin Rouge, The Quiet Man), and light years ahead of the winner, The Greatest Show on Earth.

Updated On: 1/9/15 at 03:15 PM

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 3:30pm

I'm actually one who agrees with the choice of An American In Paris for Best Picture. It really was innovative in its day (and to this day). Ending the film where the last 20 minutes has no spoken dialogue and is "all dance" except for the brief epilogue scene before it's over?

Genius. So was the ballet, and it's a very understated, elegant film overall.

Nope. I have no problem with it beating out the other two dramatic favorites.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 3:47pm

Is it wrong that I watch AN AMERICAN IN PARIS on a monthly basis?

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 4:03pm

No.

Posted: 1/9/15 at 4:17pm

The Guardian is reporting that someone's fiddling with the Golden Globes website, and has posted graphics listing both INTO THE WOODS and SELMA as winners. And then they're gone, back to displaying last year's winners, as if someone realized their mistake. Or was it a misdirection?

Guess we won't know until Sunday...


Did the Golden Globes website just spoil the show?

[Consistency]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 4:55pm

^ Ignoring my own opinion on the relative merits of the two films, I will be pretty surprised if "Birdman" doesn't win in the Best Musical/Comedy category. But then I suppose the Golden Globes have always been their own special thing.

[BrerBear]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 4:57pm

Almost certainly an inexperienced web developer trying to test changes on the site and accidentally doing it on the live version.
Very unlikely it is the real data.

[disneybroadwayfan22]

Posted: 1/9/15 at 5:53pm

That was magnificent! Disney really nailed it, minus a lot of Act 2's foundation.

First, the movie is eye candy. The sets and the costumes are just gorgeous. The direction is wonderful.

The actors are great. James and Emily were sweet as the Baker and James really broke my heart before No One is Alone. I can't believe this was Emily's first musical. Her voice sounded great! Anna was the perfect choice for Cinderella: The big name, but she has a great theatrical, soprano voice. On the Steps of the Palace was a treat. Anna's acting in that scene was great with her energy. It was the only musical scene that made me smile because Anna is having so much fun with that scene. Meryl Streep, of course, knocked it out of the park and I can imagine her, winning the Oscar. Great, dynamic performance. Chris and Billy were hilarious as the Princes. My audience was eating Lilla up. As I imagined, she was the perfect choice for Red. Her voice was just like Danielle's and maybe ever better. Daniel was also the perfect choice for Jack too. Like Anna, he was so energetic in Giants in the Sky and he was so playful in it. Johnny was good as the Wolf too. But, he was just...there. Why couldn't it be a Broadway cameo, instead of a excuse to hire big name?

My only problems were with like everyone is saying, without "So Happy", a lot of the events seemed out of nowhere, especially the Prince and the Wife's affair. I knew what was going to happen, but I still noticed how without So Happy, it just didn't work. Thankfully, the audience was great and everyone was laughing at that scene (The best part was when the Baker said "He might be off, seducing another woman", everyone went Ooooooooh because the woman was his wife".) Also, I don't think Jack's Mother's death made no sense. The Steward just pushes her.....and she dies? (Even my best friend said that she thought that the Steward would stab her ). Finally, I wish they had No More. I get that it would slow the movie down. But, I really missed it. Esepecially that they did add the father's appearing again back in the movie.

Just an excellent movie and I'm glad that we got this, instead of the weird 90s Muppets one.

Updated On: 1/9/15 at 05:53 PM

[Mrtrobz]

Posted: 1/10/15 at 9:21am

Having the witch not transform in Last Midnight missed the mark a bit they could have atleast changed her hair and wig before she went under, my partner asked me after "was she supposed to turn ugly again?" And didn't understand what happened.

[Joviedamian]

Posted: 1/10/15 at 7:48pm

"Exaclty!!! People should stop looking for flaws and just enjoy things as they are ... :)"

People are NOT looking for flaws; they are simply asking questions to the thoughts and emotions they had after seeing the movie.

[Bucky Builder]

Posted: 1/10/15 at 8:01pm

It's against the rules to do that, Jovie. J_Jammer will come after you if you have thoughts or questions. The film is perfect, we must honor it.

[Showface]

Posted: 1/10/15 at 9:42pm

"People are NOT looking for flaws; they are simply asking questions to the thoughts and emotions they had after seeing the movie."

Well...a lot of people are. Not necessarily in this thread, but on the IMDb Board for ITW and on various other places, some fans are really nitpicking. Some really, really nitpicky things I read:

-"Cinderella's Father should have been in it!" (Even though in the show he has no lines, except one or two)

-"Why is On the Steps of The Palace not in flashback? It should be in flashback! Giants in the Sky and I Know Things Now are!"

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"Having the witch not transform in Last Midnight missed the mark a bit they could have atleast changed her hair and wig before she went under, my partner asked me after "was she supposed to turn ugly again?" And didn't understand what happened."


I'm glad that she didn't. In the original draft she did, but I'm glad that in the final version she didn't. What happens to the Witch is up to debate (I'm one who does not thing she gets her powers back). But, in the film, the Witch's mother just took her away (in a very dramatic fashion).

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 1/10/15 at 10:30pm

I've honestly never really understood what happens to the witch after she throws away the beans (also, where'd the new beans come from?), I just kind of assume she goes to hell or wherever her mother is.