Is a white person playing a role "of color"* considered racist?- Page 3
Is a white person playing a role "of color"* considered racist?
#50Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 1:25pm
Color-blind opera casting: Noah Stewart as Pinkerton with French soprano Anne Sophie Duprels as Cio-Cio-San in the Opera North production of Madama Butterfly:
#51Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 1:31pm
And for Robbie--Noah Stewart showin' a little cleavage and some LEGS:
#52Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 1:45pm
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
aaronb
Broadway Star Joined: 6/3/12
#53Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 2:12pmI played the Scarecrow in an all-white version of THE WIZ in high school. I thought that was pretty offensive.
aaronb
Broadway Star Joined: 6/3/12
#54Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 2:14pmAlso My Oh My--race and racism is far more complex than thinking people of other races are inferior to you.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#55Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 2:56pm
That's silly. The Wiz isn't about race.
Most of the Sharks in the original Broadway cast AND the movie were not Hispanic.
Well, then, there's no reason to ever cast Latino people in Latino parts. Case closed!
#56Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 2:59pmConsidering when the movie was made, we're frankly lucky we even got Rita Moreno.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#57Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:01pmExactly! So maybe you can just enjoy that fact and stop with the PC whining!
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#58Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:10pmAlso, My Oh My's views on racism are pretty much nonsense.
#59Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:18pm
asking this is pretty much saying youre obsessed with color
And saying that you don't see color or races usually means you're white and never had to be concerned with how your color affected your daily life.
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
#60Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:19pmhttp://ted.coe.wayne.edu/ele3600/mcintosh.html
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#61Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:19pmYeah, the era that the movie was made (look a few years earlier to The King and I) don't prove the point. I still think it's more or less fine for a mainly white school to do West Side Story--but for a variety of reasons I think it's different when it is a school. (And yet, I wouldn't want to see a school do an all white Ragtime, or Showboat, so I know my thinking is kinda hypocritical.)
#62Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:23pmLizzie, I would like your post if I could.
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#63Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:25pm
asking this is pretty much saying youre obsessed with color
#64Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 3:48pm
I guess it depends on intent?
When I was a kid my local community theatre did Arthur Miller's THE CRUCIBLE. They held auditions for four days and only anglos auditioned. They had already paid for the rights, so they had to produce anyway. Tastefully, in a way that the audience couldn't tell, they used make-up to make the actress playing Tituba look like she had dark skin.It was a great shock to everyone when they saw her out of make-up.
In that case, no offense of malignant feelings were intended. The company just did the best they could with what they had to pick from. It played well, and no one was upset.
So, I guess it all comes down to intentions...
#65Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:03pm
No. It doesn't.
Holy crap.
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#66Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:16pm
Lizzie Curry, how would you suggest that school handle the casting of The Crucible? And please don't be so naive as to simply say "just cast a black person in the role".
If there is no one fat who auditions to play a fat role, they pad him. If no old man auditions for an old man play, they make him up for the role. If there is no one who is blind to play Helen in The Miracle Worker, they "pretend". It's kind of sad that people make skin color a bigger issue than any other physical difference.
#67Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:21pmDid you really just use the word anglos? Maybe that's just my personal distaste showing, but...
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
Updated On: 11/30/12 at 04:21 PM
#68Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:39pmWait, so people who could not speak English auditioned for The Crucible? (Or at any rate, they were expecting non English speakers to audition?) I am so confused.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#69Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:41pm
It's kind of sad that people make skin color a bigger issue than any other physical difference.
You know who started that? White people!
#70Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:47pmI knew there was a reason I'd stayed away from this thread for 3 pages.
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
darion
Understudy Joined: 5/4/12
#71Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:47pm
No it doesnt GIVESMEAVOICE, it means Im not obsessed with race, dont see slights where there arent and dont judge a person, good or bad by their race.
tell me, did you have a problem with the black Streetcar Named Desire?
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#72Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:50pmOoh, it's almost time for someone to bring up a white Effie!
Mattbrain
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/23/05
#73Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 4:54pmI heard of a production of Parade where Jim Conley was played by a white person.
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#74Is a white person playing a role
Posted: 11/30/12 at 5:33pm
As this thread appears to pertain to current attitudes towards race in the theatre (and opera et al), I don't really see this as a valid example. Perhaps Price was given yellow face make-up forty years ago to play Cio-Cio-San...
I wasn't passing judgment, AC, I was just curious as to the conventions employed.
But I should be clear that in the photos I found, Miss Price may have simply worn lighter make-up on her face. I can't tell whether it was yellow in color; and for all I know, she wore the exact make-up to play Aida. (What I found odd was that she lightened her face and shoulders, but not the rest of her in a costume that displayed quite a bit of flesh. Maybe it wasn't from BUTTERFLY after all!)
IIRC, Leontyne Price paying Butterfly was considered historic. I certainly didn't mean to throw stones at the past.
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