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Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
#75Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 5:40am
binau said: "I don’t think you can suddenly pretend that it is unfair to reduce the show by its title when it’s doing exactly what the artists are intending it to do. It is intentionally provocative and shocking. That is the point of it. It’s designed to an elicit a reaction, and well yes I’m giving you my honest reaction.
I think it’s homophobic, offensive to British culture, vulgar and low class.
How would Americans feel if Europeans wrote sexualised plays about Obama’s children with an offensive title such as ‘first slags’ or something. They would be outraged and so they should."
Bear with me -- are you upset about the title or the context of the title? Because, if you don't know anything about the play -- for arguments sakes, you just saw the title and no description about the plays contents or the context of the title -- would you still be upset by the title? (Aside from a personal dislike of a controversial pejorative.)
Is it the word -- which, together with Prince, could mean potentially any prince of a certain persuasion -- or the context it's used in, that upsets you? If we're strictly talking about titles, devoid of any context, it's telling if your mind went straight to that particular prince. It's a provocative title, but so was Shopping and F*cking.
#77Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 5:51am
I’m not sure if this answers your question but let me know if it doesn’t - what upsets me is the use of the word faggot and the idea of speculating about the sexuality of and sexualising of a real life child (I assume it is about prince George because that is what people and the NYtimes are claiming but let me know if it’s actually completely fictional in which case fine, just get rid of the word faggot). The idea of writing a play about a fictional gay prince is not offensive and sounds like interesting material.
If you’re asking what would I assume if I saw a play titled ‘prince faggot’ without any context, I wouldn’t immediately assume it was about a real life child because I wouldn’t have thought anyone would dare do such a thing.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
Updated On: 6/24/25 at 05:51 AM
#78Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 7:00am
binau said: "How would Americans feel if Europeans wrote sexualised plays about Obama’s children with an offensive title such as ‘first slags’ or something. They would be outraged and so they should."
First Slags is an amazing play title and I would absolutely see it. If we’re doing 1:1 comparisons in this hypothetical, however, it wouldn’t be about sexualizing children because that’s not what Prince Faggot is about either, so I wouldn’t be offended.
Also, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a French extreme horror movie, but Americans certainly don’t have a monopoly on the “sick and depraved” market. Sarah Kane would also like a word in honor of the theatrically distasteful. What a boring, out-of-touch assessment. But I guess look at the source.
#79Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 8:57am
I still think anyone who wants to strongly opine about a title and concept of a show should have a good understanding of the show prior to slinging arrows from the opposite side of the world.
Sincerely,
A Proud American Faggot
#80Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 9:14am
I agree that if I should accept the word ‘faggot’ as anything other than a vulgar homophonic slur it does indeed make me extremely out of touch. I’m happy for you, genuinely, if you don’t find the word triggering. I don’t have a good sense how well the reclamation of the term has made it outside the USA (I genuinely don’t know). For me, it’s the equivalent of an N word for gay people.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
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#81Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 9:15am
binau said: "I don’t think you can suddenly pretend that it is unfair to reduce the show by its title when it’s doing exactly what the artists are intending it to do. It is intentionally provocative and shocking. That is the point of it. It’s designed to an elicit a reaction, and well yes I’m giving you my honest reaction.
I think it’s homophobic, offensive to British culture, vulgar and low class.
How would Americans feel if Europeans wrote sexualised plays about Obama’s children with an offensive title such as ‘first slags’ or something. They would be outraged and so they should."
It wouldn't have been pretty. And there would have been a lot of "pearl clutching" (to borrow someone's turn of phrase) on this very board.
Outrage is often very selective.
#83Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 10:13am
I guess even the reliably anti-woke free speech advocate binau has to draw their line somewhere.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#84Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 11:17am
Jordan Catalano said: "I saw that Madonna attended the show the other day and posted a photo of herself with the cast - that’s got to be exceptionally cool for them."
Makes me imagine the original cast of Oh, Calcutta! posing for a photograph with Mae West.
#85Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 11:24am
The slur ("pejorative" seems too weak a word) in the title is tough for me, too. I'm not sure why, though. Yeah, I hate the word. But the title of Larry Kramer's book doesn't offend me and never has (I'm not a fan of the book--but the title never "triggered" me in any way). Maybe because it came out when I was a kid and so was always "in the past" for me personally? I guess I'm saying I don't want to condemn this play for its title even though the title grates on me, personally. I find it a deeply unpleasant word.
#86Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 11:31am
To be clear this would still fall within the bounds of what I'd consider free speech, I'm simply expressing my emotional reaction to these ideas.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#87Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of
Posted: 6/24/25 at 12:24pm
binau said: "To be clear this would still fall within the bounds of what I'd consider free speech, I'm simply expressing my emotional reaction to these ideas."
Totally valid.
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Broadway Star Joined: 3/29/23
#88Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/26/25 at 9:24am
“Prince Faggot” Sends Up Kink and Country
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-theatre/prince-faggot-sends-up-kink-and-country
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Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
#89Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/26/25 at 8:07pm
Show extended again. Now selling into the first weekend in August.
#90Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/26/25 at 8:39pm
Jason Veasey will also be replacing K. Todd Freeman as of 7/27
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#91Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 3:06am
quizking101 said: "Jason Veasey will also be replacing K. Todd Freeman as of 7/27"
A sign this last extension wasn’t planned. So demand looks very high.
I still bet Bway happens now.
Phantom4ever
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/17/07
#92Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:19am
The first thing this play made me think of is how, around the age of 11, I had to go home and find a dictionary with that word in it to understand what the other boys were calling me. I didn't know what the word meant.
I am all for provocative, insane, offensive theater but I do feel awful for Prince George. HIs classmates, or more likely the adults around his classmates, will catch word of this play and mention it to them, who will mention it to Prince George, who will have to go look up the word and realize what the world thinks of him just like I did. It's a terrible thing to do to a child. I wish the producers had waited til he was a little older and in a better place to deal with this.
And for all you posters talking about people like me getting our shorts in a bunch or pearl clutching---to me you're just as dangerous as a Trump supporter.
ER765
Understudy Joined: 3/12/14
#93Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:24am
Phantom4ever said: "And for all you posters talking about people like me getting our shorts in a bunch or pearl clutching---to me you're just as dangerous as a Trump supporter."
LMAO
Get a grip.
Phantom4ever
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/17/07
#94Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:27am
Because LGBT youth suicide isn't a thing anymore, right? These kids aren't bullied anymore and never go that far. The cruelty on this board makes me hopeless.
abcd12
Understudy Joined: 3/17/09
#95Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:28am
ER765 said: "Phantom4ever said: "And for all you posters talking about people like me getting our shorts in a bunch or pearl clutching---to me you're just as dangerous as a Trump supporter."
LMAO
Get a grip."
Seriously though. Come on now…
as dangerous as Trump supporters?! Please.
#96Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:29am
Phantom4ever said: "Because LGBT youth suicide isn't a thing anymore, right? These kids aren't bullied anymore and never go that far. The cruelty on this board makes me hopeless."
You do realize that probably every single person in this thread who has actually seen it is gay, right? Myself included. You are not the only LGBT perspective.
No LGBT youth are committing suicide because of this play, nor is anyone coming away from this play with with the takeaway being “Let’s go bully some queer kids.”
This is the pearl-clutchiest response yet.
Phantom4ever
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/17/07
#97Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:32am
Do Trump supporters support gay kids? Do Trump supporters care about gay kids--even one---even a famous one--getting bullied? Well, neither do most of you. So this board has gone MAGA because it does not matter if one possibly gay eleven year old is going to feel victimized or get bullied because of this play. Your right to see and enjoy the play is more important than his gay rights.
#98Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:35am
Phantom4ever said: "Do Trump supporters support gay kids? Do Trump supporters care about gay kids--even one---even a famous one--getting bullied? Well, neither do most of you. So this board has gone MAGA because it does not matter if one possibly gay eleven year old is going to feel victimized or get bullied because of this play. Your right to see and enjoy the play is more important than his gay rights."
MB124
Stand-by Joined: 8/19/22
#99Jesse Green NYT's Critic's Pick review of "Prince Faggot"
Posted: 6/27/25 at 10:37am
Phantom4ever said: "Do Trump supporters support gay kids? Do Trump supporters care about gay kids--even one---even a famous one--getting bullied? Well, neither do most of you. So this board has gone MAGA because it does not matter if one possibly gay eleven year old is going to feel victimized or get bullied because of this play. Your right to see and enjoy the play is more important than his gay rights."
“This board has gone MAGA” should be the new BWW slogan.
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