QueenMuppet, what's up with your sarcasm? Are you so put off by discussions of the film itself that you have to resort to concentrating on the posters? I was merely arguing to emcee that it's possible for the costumes and songs to make sense in completely different contexts, not attempting to boast some inside knowledge on the basis of the fact that I've read sides that are available to everyone on Showfax.com.
Anyway, for those of you who may have missed this post, don't forget that Columbus will be talking about the film on ENCORE next Saturday night.
Updated On: 10/31/04 at 02:21 PM
Sorry honey, when I last checked my post I was talking to Emcee. Not you.
QM
'He really wasn't good as Fieyro. Is it just me or does he sort of come across as a pimp? Just...the hand motions I've seen him do and the attitude..not that Taye is a pimp.' - SallyBrown on Taye Diggs as Fiyero
QM, I heart you. And Wicked is the best show ever starring that hunk of a man... what's his name again? God, you have no idea how much I'm laughing right now. Thank you for reminding me.
Perhaps the better approach would be to ask me if I've even SEEN the screenplay. Actually, I haven't - haven't been so blessed with the opportunity. Therefore, I am not "convinced," but merely uninformed. Thank you for enlightening me.
That said, I actually like that they really do go to the club. *gasp* Yes, I'm condeding to *liking* a change, look at that. BUT, that does not, by any means indicate a costume change of which you are so certain.
I have no doubt this will continue - off to the Gershwin with me. Sending you good vibes, QM.
Just a quick post before getting chomped up by a 5-ton plant...
A couple of thoughts about the costumes: you have to remember that the Rent costumes in the stage production are particularly colorful and vivid and filled with bold patterns, and that those factors might not play well onscreen. It's a different medium, requiring a different feel from a designer. Having said that, I have *no* idea whatsoever if Angela Wendt is involved in the film, or if any iconic items -- Mark's scarf, Angel's Santa suit -- are expected to make their way into the film in the same look as they have onstage. Angel is described as wearing a Santa dress in the screenplay, but it may or may not be designed similarly to the one worn onstage.
I'm as curious as all of you to find out, but I know that Mark, for instance, will be changing his clothes throughout the film. Which will be fun, I should think.
"I'm as curious as all of you to find out, but I know that Mark, for instance, will be changing his clothes throughout the film. Which will be fun, I should think."
Thank goodness! Although it would be so "Bohemian" of him to just wear the same clothes everyday... :) (just kidding, of course)
Many of you will be happy to know that I'll be leaving this thread for a while to concentrate on a paper. *emcee and QM rejoice*
BTW, Evelyn, where can I find the Chbosky screenplay?
"During this performance, please feel free to let your cell phones and pagers ring willy-nilly. However, do remember that there are heavily-armed knights on stage and you might well be dragged up and impaled."
(Pre-curtain announcement at the new Broadway musical Monty Python's Spamalot)
"I'm as curious as all of you to find out, but I know that Mark, for instance, will be changing his clothes throughout the film. Which will be fun, I should think. "
Oh good, I figured as much (as i said in a previous post). So hopefully, little things like Mark's scarf can sneak in there. Since I am not familiar with the direction they want to take this regarding the break down of scenes I have no clue how and if that could be done.
The costumes are not the most important thing that (well atleast according to me) need to remain the same. It just would be a nice treat to have some thrown in there. And as the director and producers are going to such legnths to stay true to the stage version I would not be surprised if they made appearances in the movie.
I want to write music. I want to sit down right now at my piano and write a song that people will listen to and remember and do the same thing every morning...for the rest of my life. - Jonathan Larson. Tick, Tick...BOOM!
"I'm as curious as all of you to find out, but I know that Mark, for instance, will be changing his clothes throughout the film. Which will be fun, I should think."
Greeeeat. Because I noticed he's the only one in the stage production that never actually changed costume at all.
Can I just say, as a comfortably heterosexual woman (with a comfortably homosexual lust for Catherine Zeta-Jones, but anyway...)...the thought of Out Tonight being changed into a striptease at the Cat Scratch excites me very much? That song is so hot. (Channeling Paris Hilton here.)
"It's not always about you!!!" (But if you think I'm referring to you anyway, then I probably am.)
"Good luck returning my ass!" - Wilhemina Slater
"This is my breakfast, lunch and f***ing dinner right here. I'm not even f***in' joking." - Colin Farrell
I am very interested to see how that is going to be done. With the right actress in the stage production, that is easily a song that steals the show (along with I'll Cover You Reprise). So I can only image the potential it has for the movie. Also, whats the deal with Contact in the movie? If no one knows for this version, how did Chobksy (sp?) do it?
I want to write music. I want to sit down right now at my piano and write a song that people will listen to and remember and do the same thing every morning...for the rest of my life. - Jonathan Larson. Tick, Tick...BOOM!
After thinking on this for a minute, which is longer than I usually think on things, I've decided that Mark's scarf has to make some sort of appearance. After all, it'd be mildly annoying but very amusing to hear "Oh my God! That guy's wearing a Ravenclaw scarf!" halfway through the movie.
"'But do you really mean, sir,' said Peter, 'that there could be other worlds --all over the place, just round the corner-- like that?'
'Nothing is more probable,' said the Professor..."
oh no!! dont say that!! As much as I love the Potter flicks, it should NOT be comparable to RENT.
I want to write music. I want to sit down right now at my piano and write a song that people will listen to and remember and do the same thing every morning...for the rest of my life. - Jonathan Larson. Tick, Tick...BOOM!
I think turning Out Tonight into a striptease doesn't make sense- the lyrics are about going out to a club.
The costumes might look too gaudy on film- onstage they're great because of the contrast with the gray set, but this will be different. I just want to see the signature things, like Mimi and Roger's pants and the scarf.
I want to write music. I want to sit down right now at my piano and write a song that people will listen to and remember and do the same thing every morning...for the rest of my life. - Jonathan Larson. Tick, Tick...BOOM!
Why doesn't Mark change clothes in the play? That's always bothered me a bit. I have my own only partially thought out theory on the matter having to do with the fact that he's the narrator and while he's part of the story he's also outside of it....anyway... was that a conscious choice?
I've always thought that Mark's lack of costume changes is symbolic. He's the observer, obviously, and it's a relatively static role. Wearing the same outfit throughout the show is representitive of that aspect of his character.
Or maybe the costumers just didn't like Anthony.
Updated On: 10/31/04 at 08:13 PM
"After all, it'd be mildly annoying but very amusing to hear "Oh my God! That guy's wearing a Ravenclaw scarf!" halfway through the movie."
I knitted my own Mark-like scarf (yes, I knitted it myself..my third grade class learned to knit because our teacher taught us all--every last one of us, including the boys who'd probably now deny, unfortunately, that they know how...she's a very bohemian personality...) . One day about three weeks ago I was wearing it getting onto a bus for a field hockey game when one of the other girls said 'ooo! that looks like a harry potter scarf! like slytherin or something!", to which i said nothing but though silently "it's a mark scarf, not hp! I'm not a big hp fan, i'm a mark fan!" (and i hold nothing against harry potter fans, i'm just not huge on the series, that's all...i'm a more intellectual sci-fi person when it comes to scifi/fantasy). Needless to say I was like *sigh* at the comment... and you could definitely expect people to compare the two, even if they shouldn't relly be compared (two very different works, etc)
" I've always thought that Mark's lack of costume changes is symbolic. He's the observer, obviously, and it's a relatively static role. Wearing the same outfit throughout the show is representitive of that aspect of his character."
I completely agree with you on this. It is a big aspect of his character that he doesn't really change because it is a big part of who he just is. Also, the character is present a lot of time on stage here and there as narrator--maybe its somewhat comforting to an audience to see a familiar narrator...? I don't know, just speculating.
It will be interesting to watch for bits of familiar costuming as I'd expect hints here and there, as has been suggested, with much new costuming.
The colors of the stage production's costumes are pretty vivid, as has been pointed out, and this could either be utilized as a part of the film (it is possible to use such a vivid color base in the film) but this potentially could change the tone of the work here and there or all over, unless used as part of the time period setting. It depends on what the director ultimately wants to go for with the visuality of the film as interpreter of the script, etc. A darker film and bright colors would, well, not necessarily work together smoothly. Films like Requiem for a Dream are highly visual and very dark and thus compelling (especially something like Requiem) but not in the way costuming versus enviornment could end up being, depending on the ultimate situation, in a direct/literal interpretation of the Rent stage production to film.
Updated On: 10/31/04 at 10:16 PM
"darker film and bright colors would, well, not necessarily work together smoothly." "It worked extremely well for West Side Story and Do the Right Thing, both of which remind people of Rent in one way or another.""
Yeah, again, it's definitely how the director decides to put it together (WSS was an excellent example, btw). I think it really could work (I wouldn't mind seeing it) but its really completely up to the director's interpretation and a fresh view could do just as well as the aformentioned type of tone/mood/visuals combo. The not nessa'y depends on how the director ultimately wants to bring it all together, etc. I think it could potentially go either way as with all films' design but I believe however it ends up being done in this film's case will be rightly justified. This as it should be in the creation of any film anyway, but I do have the confidence that this film's overall design should work out; I see no reason why not to have confidence in it at this point or at any point in the future... I'm highly optimistic as to the creation of this film.
If you're not kidding, what did I do to deserve that? If I did something to deserve it, I apologize... If not, I'm just confused...
And Evelyn, yes, we will have some rehearsals. They have yet to be finalized in terms of the amount of time we'll spend, but there will be a couple of weeks' worth, at least.
Then we'll record the music for a few weeks, and then we'll have some time off while they mix, and then we'll start shooting in mid-March.
Updated On: 11/1/04 at 04:06 AM