Longest Runs That Never Recouped
Longest Runs That Never Recouped
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#1
Posted: 11/22/17 at 9:41am
So, I got a question and need the help of experts. Figured, this is the right place :)
Which musicals come to mind that ran for a long, long time and still did not recoup in the end due to high running costs or other reasons (are there other reasons?).
Thanks very much in advance!
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#2
Posted: 11/22/17 at 9:51amTHOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE and JEKYLL & HYDE are two that come to mind. MILLIE didn’t even do it with the Best Musical win.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#3
Posted: 11/22/17 at 10:44am
The revival of "42nd Street" that ran from March 2001 - Jan 2005 didn't recoup.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#5
Posted: 11/22/17 at 10:50am
Obviously, SPIDER-MAN: TURN OFF THE DARK is the most immediate example.
--Aristotle
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#6
Posted: 11/22/17 at 10:54am
is the data on recouping and ultimately profit or loss from musicals reported publicly anywhere or is this limited to industry insides and actual investors in a project?
Does anyone know for example how much allegience lost?
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#8
Posted: 11/22/17 at 11:47am
Spider man was the first musical to come to mind.
Has Hello Dolly recouped yet?
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#9
Posted: 11/22/17 at 11:57am
Spider-Man did not run anywhere near long enough to qualify.
There is no central place to get recoupment info. Some shows announce it, some don't, and some that do not recoup we learn informally as to the extent of the loss.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#10
Posted: 11/22/17 at 12:01pm
HogansHero said: "Spider-Man did not run anywhere near long enough to qualify.
There is no central place to get recoupment info. Some shows announce it, some don't, and some that do not recoup we learn informally as to the extent of the loss."
It ran over a thousand performances, which was more than millie at least.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#11
Posted: 11/22/17 at 12:12pm
Hello Dolly! AFAIK hasn't recouped and it's been making millions every week.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#12
Posted: 11/22/17 at 12:20pm
Though it only ran a bit over two years, The Scarlet Pimpernel went through a major rewrite/restructuring during its run, only to then close for another five months, go through more rewrites, and reopen in another theatre for an additional two months. I can only assume that every single cent of that investment was lost.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#13
Posted: 11/22/17 at 12:58pm
What I'm pulling from this is to not produce Frank Wildhorn musicals
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#14
Posted: 11/22/17 at 1:16pm
Another thousand plus: Shenandoah.
Did Memphis return its investment while on Broadway? Ever?
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#15
Posted: 11/22/17 at 1:22pm
"Did Memphis return its investment while on Broadway? Ever?"
Seems so, barely - http://variety.com/2012/legit/news/broadway-s-memphis-recoups-1118057222/
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#16
Posted: 11/22/17 at 1:35pm
BroadwayNYC2 said: "Rock of Ages never recouped, right?"
This was a joke...right? RIGHT?
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#17
Posted: 11/22/17 at 2:06pmOriginal production of La Cage did not recoup. Nor did Woman of the Year.
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Longest Runs That Never Recouped#18
Posted: 11/22/17 at 2:17pm
I'm surprised Rock of Ages never went back to New World Stages.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#19
Posted: 11/22/17 at 2:49pm
TNick926 said: "Original production of La Cage did not recoup. Nor did Woman of the Year."
Re La Cage, that is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. I do not think either revival returned their investment; however, the original provided an excellent return for backers.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#20
Posted: 11/22/17 at 3:31pmSunset Boulevard never fully recouped. The 2017 revival got much closer to recoupment than the original run, but never quite hit the mark
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#21
Posted: 11/22/17 at 4:11pm
La Cage recouped
https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.php?thread=961789#3825719
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#22
Posted: 11/22/17 at 5:17pm
Willie4316 said: "Sunset Boulevard never fully recouped. The 2017 revival got much closer to recoupment than the original run, but never quite hit the mark"
I wonder if the original 1994 production would have recouped had he not had to pay out $1M to Lupone for breaching their contract. I believe he had to pay her an additional settlement which matched what he paid Glenn Close for the duration of her run, didn't he?
So if you put this all back into the revenue, the musical probably would have come out ahead.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#23
Posted: 11/22/17 at 5:20pm
I believe "Victor / Victoria" also qualifies as a long run which never recouped.
Longest Runs That Never Recouped#24
Posted: 11/22/17 at 9:31pm
Call_me_jorge said: "It ran over a thousand performances, which was more than millie at least."
Correct but "did not run anywhere near long enough to qualify."
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Longest Runs That Never Recouped#25
Posted: 11/22/17 at 10:07pm
GreenGables said: "BroadwayNYC2 said: "Rock of Ages never recouped, right?"
This was a joke...right? RIGHT?"
No, the song royalties prohibited recoupment.
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