Most Overrated Musical (and Actors) of All Time- Page 2

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:10am

Oh!Oh! I got this covered I am so writing that synopsis for you, it'll be up in a minute.

Oh man, you'd think I was writing about wicked...

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:14am

LOL Eponine.

I like it good. And dirty. You'd better provide both. :)

*gasp* Aida?! Overrated?! What?! But...but...Mickey Dolenz is, like, soooooooooo good!!!!

Ok, maybe not, and yeah, I can understand your POV. It's still my guilty pleasure though. I enjoy it very much.

Oh yeah, I just changed this thread to include overrated actors.

I say Bernadette Peters, but I know I'll stutter once I see her in Vancouver!

Updated On: 8/25/04 at 12:14 AM

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:18am

Sondheim in general....the man not the shows (sorry. I am just getting tired of constantly hearing about him. His shows are good though, don't get me wrong)

Yes, POTO is overrated, but a great musical none-the-less.

If I had to pick ONE......it would be................WICKED. Like the recording but like Sondheim, getting tired of hearing about it.

[broadwayfan24]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:24am

Mamma Mia

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:28am

Spider, I miss naked wet Catherine. Classy subdued Catherine isn't as fun.

BTW, I just realized that I've misheard those Rent lyrics for the longest time. I thought it went, "Now I know you can rent it, and at least you are mine love, one lieeeee...be my lieeeeee....."

[CurtainUp2]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:30am

Avenue Q! Most over-rated, over-hyped, over-awarded show I've ever seen! Just for the record... I thought it was cute and clever. But soooooooooooooooooooooooooo over-rated!!!

[amasis]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:32am

"...and Sweeney Todd..."

Oh no you DI-IN'T! No one messes with Sweeney.

By the way, Sweeney would more likely be placed in the Underrated Musical category.

Yeah, you tell 'em Slaton!! =) C'mon now. Sweeney Todd? Overrated?? But Slaton already stepped up, and now I'm just going to quietly wait for StickToPriest to find this thread... Updated On: 8/25/04 at 12:32 AM

[CurtainUp]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:33am

Wicked & Cats - Cats I loved when I saw it, but it was my first Bway show so I was uneducated. As for Grease being overrated, I think it's just so fun and that's all it's meant to be. I love it, but it's certainly no Les Mis.

[Delphine]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:35am

"Avenue Q! Most over-rated, over-hyped, over-awarded show I've ever seen! Just for the record... I thought it was cute and clever. But soooooooooooooooooooooooooo over-rated!!!"

What? WHAT?!? You did not just say that. No. Once again, underrated.

And over-awarded? How many awards did it win? Not many, my friend, although it deserved much more. Updated On: 8/25/04 at 12:35 AM

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:36am

What about overrated actors, folks?

Hey, look! I've got a red envelope icon on this thread now! It's my first red envelope thread ever! Yay! (You actually have no idea how badly my day has went when this is the highlight of my evening.)

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:37am

ok......Barbra Streisand. OMG!!!

[LadyGuenevere]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:37am

Overrated- Idina Menzel!

Her, Hunter Foster, and Adam Pascal. So many people worship them- I don't get it.

[Delphine]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:37am

Idina Menzel. Yesyesyes.

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:39am

Thank you Spider.

I enjoy Idina a lot, but the hype, just like Wicked hype, has made her overrated.

I DEFINITELY agree with Barbra. And call me uneducated, but who the hell is Carol Channing??? (Seriously. Ducking the flames.) Why was she RAPPING with LL Cool J?! And for that matter, what the hell was LL Cool J doing at the Tonys?!?!

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:40am

Have you seen the movie version of THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE with Julie Andrews? She is in that.

[Delphine]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:43am

Maybe not the most overrated performer of all time, but in the RENT community, Matt Caplan. I hate that punk.

[CurtainUp]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:46am

Tiff, I think the deal with Channing is something inexplainable. Her singing's bizzarre and perhaps considered off, but I think he presence is amazing. Ive never seen her live, but in interviews amd such Ive read, she seems like a truly magnetic lady. I'll bet she lights up the stage w/ her glow.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 12:47am

he was just Mark WAY TOO LONG. I think there needs to be a rule that you can only play a character for 6 months and then people have to move on to keep it fresh. But, that is my opinion

[Delphine]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 1:06am

I agree. BTW, is your siggie a link to your LJ?

[jonartdesigns]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 1:09am

ETHEL MERMAN
rozaline russel
carol channing
patti lupone

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 1:12am

I wasn't a big fan of Elaine Paige. Or Michael Crawford (duck).

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 1:13am

Here you are Type_A_Tiff. You'd better read it. It's really good.

Les Miz synopsis:

Okay here it goes. Once upon a time in a place called France they’re lived a man named Jean Valjean (he is the protagonist, with me so far?) This is in the late 19th century. And the story opens (after the kick ass overture) with a chain gang, one of the members includes our very own Valjean. We later learn he has been imprisoned for 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread, because his sister’s child was starving and this is miserable 19th century France (hence the title). Anyway in enters from stage left the “baddy” policeman whose name is Javert. He wears a funny hat, has a deep voice, carries a big stick and always has his signature fluffy sideburns. He gives Valjean his yellow parole ticket, and calls Valjean 24601, which is his chain gang number. Remember that number it comes up later in the show. And this is only the first song… Anyway Valjean is “free” but finds that he is not accepted into the other working areas, farmers and inns kick him out because he is an ex-criminal. Valjean is very bitter about this, so bitter that he sings a song about it. Next he meets a bishop, who changes his life. (oops sorry, gave the plot away). Anyway, the bishop offers Valjean food, shelter, money, the lot. And Valjean repays this by stealing the bishops silver candlesticks, and he runs for it (duh), but then is caught (F**k!). And the bishop pretends that he gave Valjean the silver, and tells him to be a good boy and live an honest life. Valjean is now very confused and sings “What Have I Done.” The end part of this song is really cool. Breaks his parole and runs away.
Fast forward several years, and to a different town, where the poor and homeless come through the smoke machine smoke in some very cool lighting affects, this is “At the end of the Day.” (they are very dirty btw, although not necessarily the kind you like!) Anyway the scene shifts in the middle of the song to a factory, and we see a very horny foreman, who is after Fantine (another lead, well until she dies. Sorry spoiler. Should have put that after I wrote it, oh well.) Fantine gets into a fight with a factory girl, whom mocks Fantine about her daughter and takes a letter from her. Valjean arrives during the fight, he has now a different name, and is now a major. Fantine explains that she has a daughter who lives with Innkeepers and she still pays for the child, that’s why she has a job in the first place. Oh, and her lover/father of her child ran off. (Cheerful so far) Anyway everyone gets pissed because Fantine isn’t supposed to have a daughter, and the foreman throws her out. And Valjean just looks away and doesn’t do anything to help. Fantine sings “I Dreamed a Dream.” (The song speaks for itself once you hear it, so I won’t elaborate). Anyway Fantine happens to run across a group of prostitutes, since she has no money and has to save her daughter she sells her hair, her locket and then herself (this is in the song “Lovely Ladies” where the chorus girls wear big hats and lots of period underwear.) Anyway a big old ugly rich man appears and wants to buy Fantine for the night, she is disgusted and depressed and refuses him. He gets rough and she slaps him, then he calls for the police. Javert arrives and get pissed. Valjean was watching all this btw, and he THEN steps in (great timing, smart ass). He insists that she needs a doctor (she’s sick). And Javert somehow lets it go. Meanwhile a horse got spooked, and its cart comes hurling down the street (err stage left, or right depending on how the rotating stage is going at the moment). And everyone runs around in circles and the cart “lands” on a guy. Valjean saves him, and Javert (who has been obsessively searching for Valjean since he broke his parole) recognizing his strength (but not his face? Maybe Javert blind or something). Anyway Javert says it can’t be we caught Valjean, it’s all good. Then Valjean sings a song “Who Am I” where he tries to decide whether to save his own skin or save an innocent man (who is thought to be Valjean. And since he is indeed the hero of the story he admits that he’s really Valjean and Javert looks dumbfounded). Oh yea and Valjean tears his shirt open to show lots of ugly old man chest hair, yeah and 24601 which was branded on his skin during chain gang. He runs off, and goes to see Fantine who is dying. Valjean promises to her that he’ll find Cosette (Fantine’s daughter) and raise her as his own (“Come to Me”). Fantine then dies, and Javert shows up with mussed sideburns and a pissy attitude. Valjean beats the pulp out of Javert with a chair that breaks apart on purpose and runs off to rescue Cosette.
Next town. Mont-sur Mermiel (or something to that extent). Sue me I don’t know the names, I’m not that much of a Les Miz dork! Here comes the song “Castle on a Cloud” which LITTLE Cosette sings (little Cosette has her own song, but older Cosette doesn’t. That must suck). And Madame Thenardier appears and yells and bitches at little Cosette whom she and her husband abuse and make her do all the housework. The Thenardier’s are the Innkeepers btw, and they spoil their real daughter Eponine (yay!). The next song is what Thenardier sings about his urine smelling old Inn, “Master of the House.” It’s a lovely happy song where everyone gets drunk. Afterwards Valjean find little Cosette in the woods and offers her a doll and a home and of course Cosette accepts because Fantine never taught her any better. Valjean buys Cosette off the Thenardier’s “Waltz of Treachery.” Then they leave for better lives.
Next scene. 10 Years later, this is in Paris, and all the poor smelling people hang out looking for money and drugs and whatnot. They are good singer though and they sing about being poor smelling ugly people “Look Down.” You meet a little boy named Gavroche, who sings a little solo. And then you meet Enjorlas and Marius. Enjorlas is trying to start a revolution because they’re lives suck. This is the song "It Sucks to Be Me" oh wait wrong musical. We meet up with the Thenardier’s again and their gang of weirdoes, this includes their (now grown up daughter) Eponine (who is lovely and has perfect teeth because she is a romantic leading role). She flirts with Marius who she’s obsessed with, and then Marius bumps (literally) into a older Cosette and they fall in love at first site. Then Thenardier gets into a fight with Valjean, he recognizes that he bought Cosette and (I think) he was also a chain gain member. Anyway Javert shows up (again) this time with much greyer sideburns and bitches about the filth on the street and realizes that Valjean is nearby, he sings about catching Valjean and swears by it in the song “Stars.”
Eponine later realizes that the girl who stole her man was the same girl that she grew up with. And when Marius asks her to show him where Cosette lives she tells him to f**k off. (Actually she agrees, the whimp. “Eponine’s Errand”). Next scene all the boys/student played by semi-hot men in their thirties and forties gang together to start their revolution, lead by Enjorlas. Marius shows up and brags how he found the girl of his dreams (Cosette) and they make fun of him. They sing of the Revolution etc in “Red/Black” and everyone favorite cliché song “Do You Hear the People Steam.” (I mean Sing).
And then. In a lovely garden with a very tall iron gate and pretty girl in an ugly doily of a dress sings about not remembering her past and about Marius (“In My Life”). Valjean shows up and refuses to tell her about her past or his, and heads back into the house (aka: off stage to get a smoke before his next scene). Marius shows up followed by Eponine who showed him where the house was. Cosette and Marius meet and get all over each other (okay they hold hands. How exciting…) and Eponine watches on and looks sad. Then they sing all together “A Heart Full of Love” which sounds like “A Fart Full of Love” when Marius doesn’t work on his articulation. Then Thenardier’s gang show up and plan to rob Valjean’s house, Eponine fight back (finally..) and screams to alert Valjean, Marius, Cosette etc. because if they rob the house Marius will think she led the gang there. (“Attack on Rue Plumett” this number has an awesome score.) The gang run away, Marius sees Eponine and jumps the fence (very heroically) and they hide before Valjeans runs out. Cosette insists that she screamed to frighten the gang away, Valjean thinks that it was Javert and he plans to take Cosette and travel across the sea where they’ll be safe. Which would take Marius away from Cosette. (ooooh! Plot Twist!) The next number is one of the best called “One Day More.” This is the entire cast except Fantine cause she’s dead. And all the leads have solos about their major problems. And they all march towards the future with the revolution and their poor pitiful problems ahead, and every shrink in the audience wishes they were alive in the late 19th century France where they could make a Sh**t load of money for cureing people of their problems. And that’s the end of act 1. You’ll get Act II tomorrow. Whew….
Updated On: 8/25/04 at 01:13 AM

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 1:18am

Delphine.......no, it's not.

[SMichaelK]

Posted: 8/25/04 at 1:19am

I'm surprised that I didn't see the Producers on here (or maybe I just didn't see it). I love Mel Brooks, but still. I would say the most overrated. I hate to agree with Merman but part of me wants to. I also tend to agree with Idina Menzel. And I know I'm gonna get hate on this but John Tartaglia. He's funny, he's talented, but with all the talk he's gotten lately, you'd think he's the best thing to hit Broadway ever. He's good, but not that good. He's just the it boy right now.

Posted: 8/25/04 at 1:20am

First of all... I KNOW someone didn't just say Ethel Merman...

Second of all... Adam Pascal is not only overrated, but a huge *sshole to all of his fans. Anyone who would treat a fan base like that does not deserve to be as worshiped as he is.

Third of all... I gotta pull up NYU pride and defend Idina... she works her butt off for all that she's earned. She deserves everything she's gotten.