Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member — Page 7

This ping-ponging is really pointless. Ensemble and Ohara have repeatedly made the same points, and others have repeatedly made the same rebuttals. An internet forum is a horrible format to change someone's mind, and certainly bandying the same points back and forth won't do it.
You have the right to feel how you feel about this situation, and you have the right to interpret it through your point of view and lived experience. But so does everyone else.

CreatureKitchen said: "This ping-ponging is really pointless. Ensemble and Ohara have repeatedly made the same points, and others have repeatedly made the same rebuttals. An internet forum is a horrible format to change someone's mind, and certainly bandying the same points back and forth won't do it.
You have the right to feel how you feel about this situation, and you have the right to interpret it through your point of view and lived experience. Butso does everyone else."

Yes, you are correct. The difference is sometimes these type situations become life or death for POC. A white woman making a demand, or calling the cops, or feeling uncomfortable can turn violent for the other party. This whole conversation is far deeper than sound and what is hurtful is that most people on this board refuse to see the larger implications. We have to speak up about the little things because they have big consequences. And many times the consequences land on us.

binau said: "It’s amazing to witness the division between groups of people that are meant to be on the same side. Incredible and jaw dropping. I still haven’t had any clear response to these questions by the way:

1. do you think if Audra was in a one woman play at the booth that Hell’s Kitchen wouldn’t accomodate her ?

2. Why is everyone focussed on Patti when the producers made clear it’s a range of people, including the audience

And I’ll add a third

3. if American idiot was at the Schubert right now do you believe that Patti also wouldn’t describe the show as loud or her production team not ask to turn it down (assuming that it was as loud as Hell’s Kitchen. From the reports here it’s the loudest broadway show I’ve ever heard of - I’ve never heard these kind of reports in other shows)"

I won't address the what if's. I deal in current fact. 3. The mere fact that Ms. Lupone could ever make such a demand is privilege. Full stop.

binau said: "It’s amazing to witness the division between groups of people that are meant to be on the same side. Incredible and jaw dropping. I still haven’t had any clear response to these questions by the way:

1. do you think if Audra was in a one woman play at the booth that Hell’s Kitchen wouldn’t accomodate her ?

2. Why is everyone focussed on Patti when the producers made clear it’s a range of people, including the audience

And I’ll add a third

3. if American idiot was at the Schubert right now do you believe that Patti also wouldn’t describe the show as loud or her production team not ask to turn it down (assuming that it was as loud as Hell’s Kitchen. From the reports here it’s the loudest broadway show I’ve ever heard of - I’ve never heard these kind of reports in other shows)"

I think if it was Audra instead of Patty, HK would bend over backwards to accommodate her and make it as public as possible. Simultaneously, taking a jab at theater landlords for ignoring the hundred year old problem of sound proofing. And yes, it appears that Kecia's apologists don't give a damn about the paying audience of The Roommate. Which I find even more appalling than ganging up on Patti. Without paying audiences, none of these shows exist.

Updated On: 11/4/24 at 03:39 PM

Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Ok so now asking a show to lower the volume has literally become a LIFE OR DEATH situation. This is the craziest thread I think I’ve ever seen here now!!!"

This reaction sounds about white! But your reaction isn't crazy, it's expected."

How would I feel if I said your reaction sounds about black? You are a racist.

binau said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Ok so now asking a show to lower the volume has literally become a LIFE OR DEATH situation. This is the craziest thread I think I’ve ever seen here now!!!"

This reaction sounds about white! But your reaction isn't crazy, it's expected."

How would I feel if I said your reaction sounds about black? You are a racist."

I'd say, okay. Then I'd ask you to look up the definition of racism and you'd learn that an oppressed people can't be racist because they aren't in a position of power. They can be prejudice, but racism is from a vantage point of privilege. Yay, you learned something today.

The definition of racism is wider than that. Rather than listening to the points people make and responding to them you dismiss them and take their assumed race to dismiss their comments. That is by definition racist and if it happened to you, you would and should be appalled. Please stop your racist behaviour now.

Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "It’s amazing to witness the division between groups of people that are meant to be on the same side. Incredible and jaw dropping. I still haven’t had any clear response to these questions by the way:

1. do you think if Audra was in a one woman play at the booth that Hell’s Kitchen wouldn’t accomodate her ?

2. Why is everyone focussed on Patti when the producers made clear it’s a range of people, including the audience

And I’ll add a third

3. if American idiot was at the Schubert right now do you believe that Patti also wouldn’t describe the show as loud or her production team not ask to turn it down (assuming that it was as loud as Hell’s Kitchen. From the reports here it’s the loudest broadway show I’ve ever heard of - I’ve never heard these kind of reports in other shows)"

I won't address the what if's. I deal in current fact. 3. The mere fact that Ms. Lupone could ever make such a demand is privilege. Full stop."

These requests (not demands) are made frequently in these situations. You choose to see it as privilege because you have been taught to view the world through an extremely narrow lens.

Ensemble1698878795 said: "JSquared2 said: "Patti can bea LOT of things, including (and she would be the first one to agree) a world class C*NT, but a racist isn't one of them."

Unless you are with her 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and in private you actually don't know this to be true."



So are we to assume you are with her 24/7 and know her to be racist? try again.

MemorableUserName said: "It's already been pointed out toEnsemble1698878795 that the request to adjust sound to not intrude on other theaters is a common one that doesn't require privilege at all. They have consistently ignored thatfactual point.

Now they're really just proving that the people who join this board as Ensemble(String of numbers) instead of choosing a user name are usually bots, stans, shills, and others not to be taken seriously or in good faith."

Darling, it's a message board. If any of you take yourselves that seriously "in good faith" that's on you. You all don't like folks of color in this space who don't align with your POV of theater politics. That doesn't mean we don't get to exist. That doesn't mean Kecia isn't allowed to say what she wants and how she wants to. I know you all want me to go away so you can be inside your bubble. Unfortunately, you have to share space.

Ensemble1698878795 said: "MemorableUserName said: "It's already been pointed out toEnsemble1698878795 that the request to adjust sound to not intrude on other theaters is a common one that doesn't require privilege at all. They have consistently ignored thatfactual point.

Now they're really just proving that the people who join this board as Ensemble(String of numbers) instead of choosing a user name are usually bots, stans, shills, and others not to be taken seriously or in good faith."

Darling, it's a message board. If any of you take yourselves that seriously "in good faith" that's on you. You all don't like folks of color in this space who don't align with your POV of theater politics. That doesn't mean we don't get to exist. That doesn't mean Kecia isn't allowed to say what she wants and how she wants to. I know you all want me to go away so you can be inside your bubble. Unfortunately, you have to share space."

"In good faith" refers to having a discussion "in good faith," as in believing the other person is actually interested in having a discussion, which you are clearly not since you keep ignoring anything pointing out the errors in your comments.

You are welcome to share the space. No one is required to waste their time on someone who is so factually wrong about so much and refuses to acknowledge it. Darling.

Ensemble1698&%$#@!, I have to admit that watching you continue to melt down over this has been the most enjoyable part of my day. May I suggest taking a break from social media and message boards and focusing on more important things? This is about two narcissistic Broadway actresses having a public spat about sound design. People Magazine has more pressing news than this. Go for a walk and chill out.