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Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
#100Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:12am
Imagine making Patti sign a playbill of Sunset Blvd..
Ensemble1698878795
Stand-by Joined: 11/1/23
#101Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:14am
gibsons2 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said:
The whiteness on this board has elevated to puredelusion. It's giving Trump excuses and reasoning. I'm glad Kecia Lewis spoke up and think the heatonMs. LuPone is well earned. This was an opportunity for LuPone to strike up a response. To acknowledge the possible miscommunication "on both sides." To be an example for the "community." Instead, silence. The privilege to walk away."
Kecia Lewis had an opportunity to not post that video and instead privately address the issue directly with Patty, who she baselessly accused of racism, or with the theater management."
Why would should go talk to Patty when the change on HK's sound already happened? The damage is done. When white privilege is addressed in private nothing changes. This is public and y'all are still in denial.
EvanstonDad
Stand-by Joined: 5/10/16
#102Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:14am
The social media outrage beast requires feeding 24/7. Starve it, and maybe it would go away. But I don't see that ever happening because too many people thrive on it.
#103Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:15am
In the spirit of ENSEMBLE, I believe that social media call-outs are one of the many pastimes of 2020 that I think we can move on from. It hinders rather than helps community.
And Trumpers are motivated by nonsense like what Kecia Lewis is doing, not by white liberals expressing fatigue over constantly being made to feel sh*tty for not being Christ-like, perfect beings during every interaction with POC. We're all human and just doing our best.
#104Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:21am
I actually think Patti should probably speak to Kecia. Privately.
My point is that making this public was a poor decision. It’s become tabloid fodder for racist right wing nut jobs who are making vile comments about Kecia, as well as people simply dragging her because they think she overreacted. And the flack Patti has gotten has likely put her on the defensive and has not helped Kecia’s cause of getting an apology and opening up dialogue. Walking away may be a privilege, but it’s also absolutely what Patti should do (at least publicly). No attempt at an apology is going to be received well with the temperature this high. Again, a private conversation may have allowed for more productive dialogue, but it very much seems Kecia wanted this to be a public issue.
Jarethan
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/10/11
#105Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:21am
gibsons2 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said:
The whiteness on this board has elevated to puredelusion. It's giving Trump excuses and reasoning. I'm glad Kecia Lewis spoke up and think the heatonMs. LuPone is well earned. This was an opportunity for LuPone to strike up a response. To acknowledge the possible miscommunication "on both sides." To be an example for the "community." Instead, silence. The privilege to walk away."
Kecia Lewis had an opportunity to not post that video and instead privately address the issue directly with Patty, who she baselessly accused of racism, or with the theater management."
Absolutely agree. The cynic in me is wondering whether she is enjoying the publicity…this entire thing could have been avoided by walking 500 steps.
Bette's Turban
Broadway Star Joined: 7/9/17
#106Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:29am
Jarethan said: "gibsons2 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said:
The whiteness on this board has elevated to puredelusion. It's giving Trump excuses and reasoning. I'm glad Kecia Lewis spoke up and think the heatonMs. LuPone is well earned. This was an opportunity for LuPone to strike up a response. To acknowledge the possible miscommunication "on both sides." To be an example for the "community." Instead, silence. The privilege to walk away."
Kecia Lewis had an opportunity to not post that video and instead privately address the issue directly with Patty, who she baselessly accused of racism, or with the theater management."
Absolutely agree. The cynic in me is wondering whether she is enjoying the publicity…this entire thing could have been avoided by walking 500 steps."
I’m so embarrassed for this Kecia Lewis. The whole thing is so cheap on a Theresa Giudice level.
GottaGetAGimmick420
Featured Actor Joined: 12/9/23
#107Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:30am
Ensemble1698878795 said: "gibsons2 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said:
The whiteness on this board has elevated to puredelusion. It's giving Trump excuses and reasoning. I'm glad Kecia Lewis spoke up and think the heatonMs. LuPone is well earned. This was an opportunity for LuPone to strike up a response. To acknowledge the possible miscommunication "on both sides." To be an example for the "community." Instead, silence. The privilege to walk away."
Kecia Lewis had an opportunity to not post that video and instead privately address the issue directly with Patty, who she baselessly accused of racism, or with the theater management."
Why would should go talk to Patty when the change on HK's sound already happened? The damage is done.When white privilege is addressed in private nothing changes. This is public and y'all arestill in denial."
If the changes were already made, why make the video? The change was already made. Kecia is the one who made the issue public.
I'm just here so I don't get fined
gibsons2
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/19
#108Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:33am
Dancingthrulife2 said: "Imagine making Patti sign a playbill of Sunset Blvd.."
Imagine shoving a playbill with a picture of another actor from a different musical into a face of an actor who has nothing to do with that musical and demand an autograph. This is why after observing the stage doorings for years, I hate the entire drama and audacity of some show fans and never do it myself.
gibsons2
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/19
#109Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:38am
Ensemble1698878795 said: "gibsons2 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said:
The whiteness on this board has elevated to puredelusion. It's giving Trump excuses and reasoning. I'm glad Kecia Lewis spoke up and think the heatonMs. LuPone is well earned. This was an opportunity for LuPone to strike up a response. To acknowledge the possible miscommunication "on both sides." To be an example for the "community." Instead, silence. The privilege to walk away."
Kecia Lewis had an opportunity to not post that video and instead privately address the issue directly with Patty, who she baselessly accused of racism, or with the theater management."
Why would should go talk to Patty when the change on HK's sound already happened? The damage is done.When white privilege is addressed in private nothing changes. This is public and y'all arestill in denial."
What damage are you speaking of? HK rakes in 1.5 mm weekly in grosses and The Roommate play is a limited run with 2 actors which is closing in a few weeks. HK will keep being one of top financially successful musicals for months (if not years) and small, limited run plays will come and go. What damage? What white privilege? People are out of their minds.
#110Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 11:54am
Not saying this hasn’t blown out of proportion, but flippantly saying or implying that Black people are too loud in the way Patti did to that fan IS a microaggression. We also don’t know how the change in sound design affected or compromised the performances of Hell’s Kitchen and how those changes had to be implemented by cast, crew, and band.
MemorableUserName
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/27/19
#111Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:01pm
CreatureKitchen said: "I actually think Patti should probably speak to Kecia.Privately.
My point is that making this public was a poor decision. It’s become tabloid fodder for racist right wing nut jobs who are making vile comments about Kecia, as well as people simply dragging her because they think she overreacted. And the flack Patti has gotten has likely put her on the defensive and has not helped Kecia’s cause of getting an apology and opening up dialogue. Walking away may be a privilege, but it’s also absolutely what Patti should do (at least publicly). No attempt at an apology is going to be received well with the temperature this high. Again, a private conversation may have allowed for more productive dialogue, but it very much seems Kecia wanted this to be a public issue."
Patti should absolutely not speak with Kecia Lewis privately. This was a privately handled matter that Lewis decided to make public. She cannot be trusted not to take whatever is said in a private conversation to make another video misrepresenting what happened just like she did in the first one.
Lewis wanted attention by latching on to a bigger name who was getting a lot of press. She has it. A narcissist like that isn't going to let it go that easily.
gibsons2
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/19
#112Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:09pm
HeyMrMusic said: "Not saying this hasn’t blown out of proportion, but flippantly saying or implying that Black people are too loud in the way Patti did to that fan IS a microaggression. We also don’t know how the change in sound design affected or compromised the performances ofHell’s Kitchenand how those changes had to be implemented by cast, crew, and band."
She said the show is loud, not the Black people. Why aren't you asking how the audience and the cast of The Roommate is affected and compromised by the noise leak?
Bette's Turban
Broadway Star Joined: 7/9/17
#113Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:11pm
Except she didn’t say or imply that.
#114Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:14pm
HeyMrMusic said: "We also don’t know how the change in sound design affected or compromised the performances ofHell’s Kitchenand how those changes had to be implemented by cast, crew, and band."
If the changes were going to compromise the show, why did the team agree to them? Patti is a big name and that carries some power, but they had no legal or contractual obligations to honor her request. She wasn’t holding a gun to their heads. It seems like Kecia’s issue should also be with the Hell’s Kitchen team, for agreeing to make changes she was unhappy with.
somecheapfrenchthing
Understudy Joined: 9/14/17
#115Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:14pm
Ensemble1698878795 said: The whiteness on this board has elevated to pure delusion. It's giving Trump excuses and reasoning. I'm glad Kecia Lewis spoke up and think the heat on Ms. LuPone is well earned. This was an opportunity for LuPone to strike up a response. To acknowledge the possible miscommunication "on both sides." To be an example for the "community." Instead, silence. The privilege to walk away.
This is being upset that people are not blindly accepting something - that people are not kowtowing to a perspective without asking any questions, considering relevant details, or incorporating their gut feelings and instincts into their assessment of what's going on. You want people to listen *and* to somehow trim out and disown anything that strays from KL's post (which excludes many relevant details about the situation). Evidently this is, through your lens, the only way to be a decent, responsible, caring person. I have faith that a lot of - even most - people on here who disagree with you are decent, respectful, open-minded people who'd condemn any kind of extreme Trumpian mindset, or any sort of inequitable or unnuanced way of relating for that matter. You act like Patti Lupone’s right/privilege to be silent, to walk away from this, or to handle it privately is something Kecia Lewis does not have. You create a cloud of smoke with semantics, misdirection, and accusation to distract from the uncomfortable, unpleasant reality that *in this case* a lot of people aren’t seeing this as laudable or an act of pure integrity. Plenty of "call-in's," teaching moments, and public repairs of conflict and misunderstanding have been more widely trusted and appreciated. This is just not one of them.
OharaFosseWolfe888
Understudy Joined: 5/3/24
#116Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:24pm
Y'all telling Black how to respond is insane and wild. All of these comments continue to not only not accept but bend over backwards to find an excuse for her. You don't even have to accept but again to disregard Black folks who tell you IT IS a microaggression is sad AF.
#117Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:29pm
I have never seen a single "issue" on Broadway so blown out of proportion.
And someone comparing posters on this board who point that out to Trump's "level of delusion" is a prime example of why social media is a terrible way to have meaningful conversation, and why folks don't take it seriously when actual forms of racism and/or oppression show rear their heads. Because there is no conversation, merely taking sides: one side MUST be right and the other MUST be wrong, and you'd better be on the right side and not ask questions or else the social media mob will pile on with comments.
When my upstairs neighbors play music too loud and the bass starts thumping into my place while I'm having a meeting or trying to concentrate on work, I tell them to please turn it down because it's too loud. This request has no relation to my neighbors' race, sexuality, gender, religion, class, or any other aspect of their personhood. It only has to do with their music being so damn loud that it is disturbing my space.
And THIS is what we need a social media culture war about? Good grief. I guess everyone needs to take their mind off the election with SOMETHING.
#118Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:38pm
OharaFosseWolfe888 said: "Y'all telling Black how to respond is insane and wild. All of these comments continue to not only not accept but bend over backwards to find an excuse for her. You don't even have to accept but again to disregard Black folks who tell you IT IS a microaggression is sad AF."
The issue with this argument is that you're telling everyone else how to respond. You're telling Patti how to respond. It can't work both ways. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinions.
#119Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:48pm
Are some people actually claiming that Kecia can't be criticized because she's Black? That saying she made a mistake is policing her? But claiming Patti made a mistake is not policing? And if The Roommate was next to The Who's Tommy and some white actor responded to Patti having gotten the sound levels lowered, criticizing said white person would be okay and would not be policing? I cannot support that argument at all.
somecheapfrenchthing
Understudy Joined: 9/14/17
#120Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 12:58pm
OharaFosseWolfe888 said: "Y'all telling Black how to respond is insane and wild. All of these comments continue to not only not accept but bend over backwards to find an excuse for her. You don't even have to accept but again to disregard Black folks who tell you IT IS a microaggression is sad AF."
I am really at a loss for what to say about the perspective that people are “telling her” or anyone what to do. I hit a wall there. No one can “tell” Kecia Lewis or anyone “how to respond” in the way you are indicating. No one is in charge of her. No one is directing her. She has every right to feel how she feels and to handle this however she wants. What you are calling “telling” someone how to respond is really just people having a less than positive reaction to what she put out. Everyone’s actions are subject to perception. This is true of everything said and done by anyone. You are upset about something inherent to being alive and embodied on a planet with other people. You discount her power and agency by suggesting disagreement or anything other than a positive reaction is some kind of infringement.
JasonC3
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/22/21
#121Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 1:04pmnot sure which is off the rails more right now .... this thread or just about any social media thread related to the election
#122Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 1:12pm
Genuine question for those in the US - is what we are seeing in this thread a common occurrence or is it unusual? I’m shocked at where this has gone!
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#123Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 1:15pm
binau said: "Genuine question for those in the US - is what we are seeing in this thread a common occurrence or is it unusual? I’m shocked at where this has gone!"
It’s very common.
#124Patti LuPone called a privileged, racially microaggressive bully by Hell's Kitchen cast member
Posted: 11/4/24 at 1:17pm
binau said: "Genuine question for those in the US - is what we are seeing in this thread a common occurrence or is it unusual? I’m shocked at where this has gone!"
America lost its mind years ago when it made every single little thing about politics and division.
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