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[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:08pm

Kad said: 
It's wonderful you've seen the light, Carlos, but you've been participating in the behavior that has been decried here for years, regardless of how you couch it as "defending yourself."  

 

Yes Kad, and if you read my post from a couple of pages back in this very thread I already owned up to it which is more than I can say for some of you on this board that are playing victim.

 

 

 

    

Updated On: 3/15/16 at 05:08 PM

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:09pm

"I am really and honestly less interested in your opinion of how this board should function than I am in having a dialogue with the people who are still active members of this board."

 

Are CarlosAlberto, Jane2 and I chopped liver?

 

This is over. Move on.

[Pootie2]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:13pm

Kad said: "I understood what Murin meant. I still think it was a gross overreaction, and I still think she has managed to use the situation to make a platform for herself while not actually acknowledging any valid criticism in a meaningful way. While the boards remain here, and will remain for the foreseeable future, this still registers as a victory for... "niceness" or whatever.

People here are frustrated that it became a one-sided issue, and remains such."

It's really the one-sided part.

Sunny11, no one is surprised; however, people who are in the public eye, whether as small fry or the big celebrities, are the ones who should understand that their choice of employment does automatically put them at the mercy of the internet and all manner of "negative" whatever (from technical criticism to hate speech) along with the positives. Expectations in terms of public communications differ between consumers and performers. Short of non-sarcastic and truly libelous articles for which someone could be sued, certainly any celebrity with half a brain knows better than to go looking specifically for the negative stuff. Imagine what sort of crap is said about Adele, yet she's not going out of her way to hunt down all the music chat boards.

[Anakela]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:24pm

Sunny11 said: "I don't  understand how anybody can be surprised that actors are hurt by mean things said about them anywhere  and wants to retaliate. That's basic human nature! It doesn't matter if " it isn't intended for them to read it", it's out there in the public domain. 

"

That's the thing, though, isn't it. I've been posting here on and off for going on 11 years now (good lord!), and I have never once considered this board a place for "saying mean things about actors."

My first post here would have been something to do with the Wicked tour, back when I lived in L.A. I've come here to talk about theatre when I moved from L.A. to NY, as my taste in favorite show(s) changed, I've met people from this board in real life, there are actors who worked out who I am in real life from this board, I've used this board to read about new shows, get info on rush/lotto, learn what else I should be seeing, etc.

Hell, I never would have known about Lysistrata Jones if not for these boards. A show which I then saw twice - once off-Bway, once on.

4200+ posts (!) and 11 years later, I've learned to scroll past what doesn't interest me, and my brain filters out those posters who cross my line (for example, all of the racist Hamilton posts on here), but it was a little bit of a "huh" moment for me to see/hear/read these stage actors completely negate these boards into people "saying mean things about actors" place or a jealous people who aren't creating theatre so we have no right to talk about it place, or calling the entire board "trolls," or whatever else it is that we ALL are today, with no room for nuance.

[Margo319]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:27pm

"That is grossly unfair of you AC. Craig hasn't virtually tripped over defending Patti. He was clarifying misconceptions generated by more than a handful of posters on this board who chose and continue to choose to internalize this and take it personally.

 

And with all due respect you are coming off as a whiny baby in wet diapers."

 

For literally FOUR DAYS NOW.  My God.  I will not say the quote from Frozen but....damn.  

[AC126748]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:31pm

ghostlight2 said: ""I am really and honestly less interested in your opinion of how this board should function than I am in having a dialogue with the people who are still active members of this board."

 

Are CarlosAlberto, Jane2 and I chopped liver?

 

This is over. Move on.

 

"

Well, I blocked Carlos long ago because I consider him a bully and a grandstander, so I really have no idea what he's been saying on this thread. I've always respected you and your posts, ghostlight, but this conversation is clearly not over. So I'll move on when I so choose. But if you're done with the conversation, I guess you're more than free to disengage. 

[devonian.t]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:37pm

Something tells me we won't get the proper, sincere apology due so, to avoid Groundhog Day, probably best to chalk it up to experience and continue to judge people not on what they promise, but on what they deliver.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:44pm

 

I may be a martyr, but I'm not a troll. And I wish that Patti Murin would acknowledge that. 

 

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:47pm

No one said you were a martyr PalJoey.   

 

And why do you wish Patti Murin to acknowledge that you are not a troll? Do you really need validation from Patti Murin that badly?

 

I mean c'mon.... 

Updated On: 3/15/16 at 05:47 PM

[Margo319]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:47pm

Im just curious, PJ, why do you need a person who you don't know to say that?  Why do you need that from her so badly?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:49pm

I don't think that's how blocking works, Carlos.

 

(I know AC can defend himself, but he can't see your post!)

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:49pm

Patti Murin can call me the second coming of Satan  (which some on this board have) for all I care... 

[Margo319]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:53pm

"respectfully, some of you are getting a bit Kanye over this. "

 

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAA!!!   LOVE!   

[Jane2]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:55pm

Hey yeah, I thought I'd be mentioned somehow but maybe my posts aren't remarkable enough. I think that's a good thing!

 

chopped liver here.

[Petralicious]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 5:57pm

CarlosAlberto said: "No one said you were a martyr PalJoey.   

 

And why do you wish Patti Murin to acknowledge that you are not a troll? Do you really need validation from Patti Murin that badly?

 

I mean c'mon.... 

 

PalJoey. Did she insult you personally, by name? If so she should apologize.  If not, why would she? 

 

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:03pm

"I've always respected you and your posts, ghostlight, but this conversation is clearly not over. So I'll move on when I so choose. But if you're done with the conversation, I guess you're more than free to disengage. "

 

Thanks for the kind words AC1. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see the point in continuing to rail against what has occurred. TPTB have spoken, and having gone this far, are unlikely to turn back. I'm still in this conversation because I have ALWAYS wanted this board to be more civil and less clique-y. The personal attacks, stalking, name-calling and topic-derailing drove me away. For me this board has always been, and will always be about Broadway, not about the members of the board.

 

I'm not even terribly concerned about the actors' feelings. I think it is rather foolish for actors to visit here, unless they have very thick skins. I look to have more civility amongst ourselves. Just today I was personally attacked by two posters. They added nothing to the conversation, just attacked me, personally, for my opinion (and no, I didn't report them).

 

I do apologize for telling you what to do. You do whatever you need to in order to get closure. I just don't think you'll get it.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:05pm

so, carlos, you came on satan? did it sizzle?

 

i for one will not be satisfied by anything less than a handy from patti - whoever she is - in the bathroom at fez (is fez still open?).

 

until then she is my sworn enema and i shall smite her with great vengeance and furious anger.

 

also, i still blame craig. 

[Craig]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:13pm

AC126748 said: "There are many members who are probably not even aware that you had any hand in the creation of this board. You may have had a hand in building it, but I think that There are definitely people in a better position to drive this conversation to you. "

 

Ah - so are you in favor of censorship or not?  I say that tongue in cheek lest you use that as a springboard.  Quite honestly, as one of the original crew and someone who worked here for close 10 years, I think my opinion on this site (and board) are quite valid - regardless of any absence.   Perhaps not to you. But we can discuss the 99% vs 1% in regards to that too

Anyway - I do understand why people are upset. But "this too shall pass."  Except for allusions to this incident and possibly resurrecting this thread and others - I imagine in as less as a month (maybe even less) most people will have moved on to something else.

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:33pm

 

For those who keep asking why I say she "insulted" me, I think my posts have been perfectly clear, and I will let them stand without further unnecessary clarification.

I also understand through third parties that Patti herself has been apprised of my request for an apology and that she understands that I ask for it on behalf of the 99 percent. But she believes her Tweeted apology is all she needs to say to the 99 percent, and I disagree.

 

 

[mailhandler777]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:35pm

Updated On: 3/15/16 at 06:35 PM

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:53pm

Patti her self offered to talk with those posters that she called out on her blog. I believe only one took her up on her offer and the others simply ignored the request.

 

i wish they had taken her up on that offer and opened up a direct dialogue with her and corrected her on some of her misperceptions, but they chose instead to continue complaining on the board.

 

Go figure.

 

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:53pm

Patti her self offered to talk with those posters that she called out on her blog. I believe only one took her up on her offer and the others simply ignored the request.

 

i wish they had taken her up on that offer and opened up a direct dialogue with her and corrected her on some of her misperceptions, but they chose instead to continue complaining on the board.

 

Go figure.

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:57pm

Why should posters be summoned to Patti when she clicks her fingers?

(X3)

[sinister teashop]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 6:58pm

from Message Board User Guidlines: 

 

We reserve the right to track your IP address and contact your ISP to report abuse and violations of our policies. We also reserve the right to contact a local law enforcement agency to report violations that violate federal, state and local laws. 

 

Paranoid and creepy.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 3/15/16 at 7:03pm

That's an unfortunate way of looking at it Jay. No one was summoned. Anyway I wasn't called out on the blog and she already apologized on Twitter and the boards are still here and that's good enough for me.

 

The rest of you can continue holding a grudge.