TAKE ME OUT will be using Yondr pouches — Page 5

Most of the comments/replies in this thread are audience-centric, and that makes sense, but I think the decision to use Yondr pouches was also made out of respect for the actors.

It's not as important (to me) that audience members complain about being "treated like children", etc. The actors appearing naked onstage deserve to feel that some type of measure is in place to provide a sense of protection. It's neither their fault, nor in their control that it's become so easy to misuse technology.

No system is going to be 100% fool-proof in preventing an actor's image from being captured and distributed. Using Yondr pouches certainly won't eradicate the problem, but it will help to better manage it. That's probably the best that can be done for these actors.

As audience members, using the Yondr pouches - without complaint - is a form of civil behavior towards the actors.

...just throwing that out there as an alternative viewpoint...

 

SonofRobbieJ said: "Theatre Cyns said: "Not that it matters, but for what it’s worth in the context of this discussion, I’m a 51 year-old woman who doesn’t spend every minute of the day with her phone. Not a boomer but not a millennial either. ? I just don’t like the idea of the theater deciding that I’m not responsible enough with my own legal property to act appropriately (ESPECIALLY given that a minority of people do the thing that this is supposed to be stopping).

And, heck, I know I’m only one person. They won’t miss my money or my presence. But one thing that’s in my control is when I see the notice that a particular theater will be using Yondr pouches is to find another theater to patronize."

First...you're Gen X. Not knowing you're Gen X means you're failing at being the most Gen X-y you can be.

Second, in this very specific case, a theater taking precautions that the 10 men who will be performing extended nude scenes will be as protected as possible far outweighs your 'Don't Tread On Me' sensibilities. Feel free to not see it. But, in this specific case, your concerns frankly do not matter."

Yes, no kidding I'm Gen X. But you think you 'got me' so, congrats I guess?

And my concerns might not matter to you but they matter to me. Like I said, I'm one person and my money going to another production won't really have any effect on this one since I'm sure it will do well. Just stating how I feel about this new practice (which,as I've stated, isn't as fool-proof or protective as folks pretend to think it is).

But, again, good on ya for the condescension throughout your post. You sure know how to make someone feel welcome!

^ I am actually imagining that right now, hahahaha.

People who can't go a couple of hours without being on their phone need therapy. And if you are so nervous about leaving your children for a few hours, you clearly left them with the wrong person. This is about protecting the actors and having a present experience at the theater, it's a positive, healthy thing. 

We live in a world of rules and regulations, which are put in place to protect the non-offenders, not to annoy them. I can understand if someone simply doesn't want to use a Yondr pouch and decides not to patronize a venue or event that uses them, but to wrap it up in this faux outrage about being treated like children reeks of entitlement. If you don't want to go, don't go, but don't act like you're above it all, because you're not.

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Olivia11 said: "CT2NYC said: "We live in a world of rules and regulations, which are put in place to protect the non-offenders, not to annoy them. I can understand ifsomeone simply doesn't want to use a Yondr pouch and decides not to patronize a venue or event that uses them, but to wrap it up in this faux outrage about being treated like childrenreeks of entitlement. If you don't want to go, don't go, but don't act like you're above it all, because you're not."

Um....no. It’s not entitlement or being above it at all. It’s about basic personal and property rights, that some people always seem willing to give up.



You want to to talk about rules. The rules are no cell phone use. The vast majority abide. The theatres choose not to enforce their rules by ejecting the offenders. Instead, some want to inconvenience or punish everyone by lockingeveryone’s phone away. That is offensive to me. You may think it is just fine or worth the inconvenience. I don’t.The idea of punishing the entire classfor the rule breaking few did not work for me in second grade and it sure as hell doesn’t work for me as an adult.

Do what it takes to eject those using phones. Yes it will be expensive to hire security (so are the pouches) but I guarantee if they had the guts to do it a few times, word would get around.



I have zero zero patience for those that can’t effectively enforce their own rules and then expect me to be inconvenienced, especially if I am a patron."

Unfortunately, you're proving my point. I get that you don't like the idea of Yondr pouches, and I respect your choice to stay away from places that use them. However, arguing about why you deserve to be exempt is kinda the definition of "entitlement."

Updated On: 3/8/20 at 01:59 PM

Is it strange that I've been reading and commenting on this thread and it resulted in my buying tickets for this show? 

Olivia11 said: "
Unfortunately, you're proving my point. I get that you don't like the idea of Yondr pouches, and I respect your choice to stay away from places that usethem. However, arguing about why you deserve to be exemptIS kinda the definition of "entitlement.""

I think you just want to fight and use the word entitlement incorrectly, as many times as possible.

I think EVERYONE should be exempt because they should enforce the primary rule of no cell phone usage, by ejecting those that violate, instead of instituting the pouches.Entitlement would be me saying that only I should be exempt from using them



I can’t control anyone else’s reaction to the pouches. Some welcome them, some begrudgingly use them, and some like me will not patronize venues that use them. Everyone has to make their own decision based upon their beliefs. That is called “freedom” not entitlement. I am free to decide who gets my entertainment dollars and I am also free to feel like inconveniencing EVERYONE (or punishing, if you will) for the sins of the few is wrong and makes me feel as though we are all being treated as children that can’t be trusted not to use our phone. That includes you and everyone else that correctly turns off their phones, not just me.I don’t see how I can be any clearer."

Yes, you're clearly the one who wants to fight about this first-world problem. I purposely didn't quote you in my original post because I wasn't speaking directly to you. I was just stating my opinion on the matter.

I'm sorry that you think I'm using "entitlement" incorrectly, but I still think it applies. To me, saying that everyone deserves to be exempt, and not just yourself, doesn't sound like a cry for social justice, but, rather, a projection of your sense of entitlement on everyone in the theatre, whether they believe it or not. That's the way I see it, and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

Our school spent a s__tload on Yondr pouches. It was going to be the magic pouch that took away the "students using phone in class" problem.

Within a few hours students had figured out how to break the pin magnet. The ones that didn't want to jimmy the magnet simply brought an old phone and put it in their pouch and continued to use their phones throughout the school day. 

Now piles of those Yondr pouches sit in the office. Biggest waste of money ever. The only way to stop phone usage in the theater is to enforce the cell phone policy. People will be figuring out how to open the Yondr pouches in no time. It's really very easy.

poisonivy2 said: "Our school spent a s__tload on Yondr pouches. It was going to be the magic pouch that took away the "students using phone in class" problem.

Within a few hours students had figured out how to break the pin magnet. The ones that didn't want to jimmy the magnet simply brought an old phone and put it in their pouch and continued to use their phones throughout the school day.

Now piles of those Yondr pouches sit in the office. Biggest waste of money ever. The only way to stop phone usage in the theateris to enforce the cell phone policy. People will be figuring out how to open the Yondr pouches in no time. It's really very easy."

Theoretically, it should make offenders easier to spot.

latitudex1 said: "poisonivy2 said: "Our school spent a s__tload on Yondr pouches. It was going to be the magic pouch that took away the "students using phone in class" problem.

Within a few hours students had figured out how to break the pin magnet. The ones that didn't want to jimmy the magnet simply brought an old phone and put it in their pouch and continued to use their phones throughout the school day.

Now piles of those Yondr pouches sit in the office. Biggest waste of money ever. The only way to stop phone usage in the theateris to enforce the cell phone policy. People will be figuring out how to open the Yondr pouches in no time. It's really very easy."

Theoretically, it should make offenders easier to spot."

Does anyone really think that those that figure out how to open the pouches or hide their phone will be ejected, given that the very reason they are using pouches is because they aren’t willing to enforce no cell phone usage and throw people out?  That circular thinking is mind numbing. 

Sutton Ross said: "Thanks Olivia, we got your point 5 posts ago. Don't go to shows with Yondr pouches. Problem solved."

Did that make you feel better?