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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#700
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:11pm
The structure of the original musical remains intact. But there are added characters and it is more emotional and the humor is enhanced. There will be a new song written by neyo and the scarecrow will be singing you can't win from the movie. The cast said that since the wiz is such an iconic musical, they want to take it to the next level for the 2015 audience.
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#701
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:13pm
... So they basically said that because it's such an iconic musical, they want to change it?
LOL
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#702
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:16pm
I keep hearing about the next level. What level is on it now and what happens at the next one?
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#703
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:18pm
But there are added characters and it is more emotional and the humor is enhanced.
Added characters? Bad idea. More emotional? They didn't see the original show then, and they aren't the ones to judge how emotional their adaptation is until it airs. Also, we don't need to cry through the whole story. Diana Ross tried that in the movie, and look where it got her. The humor is enhanced? Meaning they rewrote all the funny lines.
That's exactly the kind of arrogance that kills "modern" adaptations of classic material.
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#704
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:22pm
Amen besty!
Updated On: 10/26/15 at 12:22 PMTHE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#705
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:22pm
I hear it is very true to the original.
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#706
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:23pm
And Teddy, yes, they did announce they were replacing "I Was Born on the Day Before Yesterday" with "You Can't Win."
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#707
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:42pm
teddy1996 said: "The structure of the original musical remains intact. "
Great! So it's still an adaptation of THE WIZARD OF OZ. Whew, thank God, I was worried the basic structure wouldn't remain untouched and that they'd go all crazy and start basing it off of a different source material. Glad that it's very true to the original.
I can't help but think of that moment in the 30 ROCK pilot where Jack Donaghy decides to retool the show within the show, called The Girlie Show, even though it's doing well in ratings. Tina Fey's character, the writer of the show, responds with sarcasm: "So your job is to take things that are doing well and fix them. That must be a great job."
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#708
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:49pm
Maybe Teddy1996 is really the Fabulous TeddyZ?
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#709
Posted: 10/26/15 at 12:49pm
Maybe Teddy1996 is really the Fabulous TeddyZ?
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#710
Posted: 10/26/15 at 1:08pm
"They've added characters" is probably the one that makes me laugh the most.
You know, because the ones L. Frank Baum created, same ones in "The Wiz," aren't memorable enough and haven't stood the test of time.
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#711
Posted: 10/26/15 at 1:50pm
I have said it before and will say it again. This should have been The Wizard of Oz Live. instead of The Wiz.
I cannot understand why such a good piece would require revisions, the adding of characters etc. Despite the fact that the original production has fans, lot seems to agree that the cinematographic version was a disaster. Personally I couldn't sit through the first 15 minutes of the Diana Ross movie. Its surely a good thing that on Thursday evening my favorite show Reign is on another channel
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#712
Posted: 10/26/15 at 2:30pm
The movie is nothing like the stage show. Not anything like it. Different in tone, concept, pacing, humor (or lack of it in the film).
The biggest thing that the original story by Baum, the MGM film, and the original Geoffrey Holder production of "The Wiz" all have in common is the tone ... overall it's whimsical, buoyant, humorous (sometimes subtle humor, sometimes broad) ... even though the story is at times a bit frightening, taking a simple girl from her humble surroundings in Kansas to a strange world where she triumphs over witches and wizards and helps her friends to realize their own potentials.
But it's not irreverent, dark, gritty, ... Dorothy isn't sassy or confident. She's genuine, determined, honest, and mostly positive about her chances of getting back to Kansas again. She doesn't sob every five steps the way Diana Ross does. She isn't from Harlem, and doesn't teach school. She's a simple, wholesome child from the Midwest. So was Judy Garland, so was Stephanie Mills.
There are many ways to tell the story, new ones included, but trust the material. The minute you say, "I can make it better," you lose. Because you can't.
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#713
Posted: 10/26/15 at 2:36pm
Its surely a good thing that on Thursday evening my favorite show Reign is on another channel
Because otherwise you'd be legally required to watch?
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#715
Posted: 10/26/15 at 4:34pm
best12bars said: "The movie is nothing like the stage show. Not anything like it. Different in tone, concept, pacing, humor (or lack of it in the film).
The biggest thing that the original story by Baum, the MGM film, and the original Geoffrey Holder production of "The Wiz" all have in common is the tone ... overall it's whimsical, buoyant, humorous (sometimes subtle humor, sometimes broad) ... even though the story is at times a bit frightening, taking a simple girl from her humble surroundings in Kansas to a strange world where she triumphs over witches and wizards and helps her friends to realize their own potentials.
But it's not irreverent, dark, gritty, ... Dorothy isn't sassy or confident. She's genuine, determined, honest, and mostly positive about her chances of getting back to Kansas again. She doesn't sob every five steps the way Diana Ross does. She isn't from Harlem, and doesn't teach school. She's a simple, wholesome child from the Midwest. So was Judy Garland, so was Stephanie Mills.
There are many ways to tell the story, new ones included, but trust the material. The minute you say, "I can make it better," you lose. Because you can't."
All of this!
i love when best12 starts speaking about Oz 
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#716
Posted: 10/26/15 at 4:40pm
AEA AGMA SM said: "best12bars said: "The movie is nothing like the stage show. Not anything like it. Different in tone, concept, pacing, humor (or lack of it in the film).
The biggest thing that the original story by Baum, the MGM film, and the original Geoffrey Holder production of "The Wiz" all have in common is the tone ... overall it's whimsical, buoyant, humorous (sometimes subtle humor, sometimes broad) ... even though the story is at times a bit frightening, taking a simple girl from her humble surroundings in Kansas to a strange world where she triumphs over witches and wizards and helps her friends to realize their own potentials.
But it's not irreverent, dark, gritty, ... Dorothy isn't sassy or confident. She's genuine, determined, honest, and mostly positive about her chances of getting back to Kansas again. She doesn't sob every five steps the way Diana Ross does. She isn't from Harlem, and doesn't teach school. She's a simple, wholesome child from the Midwest. So was Judy Garland, so was Stephanie Mills.
There are many ways to tell the story, new ones included, but trust the material. The minute you say, "I can make it better," you lose. Because you can't."
All of this!
i love when best12 starts speaking about Oz
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He does know his sh!t. I believe he wrote the book I bought a couple years ago. I think it was Called The Silver Shoes or something like that.
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#717
Posted: 10/26/15 at 5:27pm
LOL Thanks, guys. I'm definitely passionate about the subject! ... but I also think it's open to new interpretations. Just honor the material. It sounds so simple, but egos get in the way. Be faithful to the intent of the story even if you adapt it.
If you're going to change the tone and the characters and who they are, you're not being faithful to the intent, and I am not interested. That shows me you don't know what you're doing or you're arrogant ... or both.
"The Wiz" is not foolproof material, either. It almost died on opening night. It went through a huge overhaul when Geoffrey Holder was called in to replace the director. He quite literally went around the stage and all through the theatre with the cast trailing behind him, "casting out" the bad energy and bad perspective and bad tone. (Eccentric,sure! But also a genius.) He changed the tone, he gave "The Wiz" its style, he found his own creative voice and perspective, AND he also honored the material while he did it.
Honoring the material. "Thinking inside the box." But THINK. That's the trick. Outside the box is easy! You can take the Wizard of Oz and make Dorothy a Nazi spy with one leg who puts on ruby earrings and dreams she's back at Camelot with a yellow road leading her into the woods to find a Cowardly Dragon, a robot, and a rag doll named Scaredy. ... See how easy it is to think outside the box?
When you're telling an iconic story like this, think inside the box. Be creative and imaginative and clever INSIDE the box. That's where the real challenge, the real magic, and the real genius lies. And get your damn ego out of the way.
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#718
Posted: 10/26/15 at 8:02pm
Unfortunately I have not seen the Original production. But my point is that if its that good they should not have toyed with it. I have a feeling that narration would be add to this.
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#719
Posted: 10/26/15 at 11:02pm
musicaljen said: "Unfortunately I have not seen the Original production. But my point is that if its that good they should not have toyed with it. I have a feeling that narration would be add to this.
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On one hand I agree with you. On the other hand, one could argue that there was nothing wrong with the original Cabaret, yet it has been tweaked for two different revivals now, and the latest revision was viewed by most to be pure gold in 1998.
The same can be said of every revival of Show Boat. Every revival has had a slightly different book than the one before it. Same for Annie Get Your Gun, and Anything Goes. Many classics get a new book as times change.
This is a reason to be concerned for The Wiz, because the revision may suck; however, it is unfair to say that a revision must mean that the original was not good enough in the first place. History is against that theory.
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#720
Posted: 10/26/15 at 11:09pm
She said she gonna watch Reign, anyway.
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#721
Posted: 10/26/15 at 11:21pm
I don't think we should take the opinion who likes Crappy Driftwood in the Sound of Music (Died) .. seriously. at all.
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THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#722
Posted: 10/27/15 at 9:01am
^ ...says the troll who sent me this message out of the blue:
drop dead from c0113g3b0y
on 10/15/15 @ 01:53:10 AM
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#723
Posted: 10/27/15 at 9:18am
Completely agree with everything Best12 has said. I am still excited about it but every creative decision they've announced worries me.
THE WIZ: 2015 NBC LIVE MUSICAL#724
Posted: 10/27/15 at 10:45am
It's hard to overestimate how the casting of Diana Ross as Dorthy changed the tone of the movie version. As others mentioned, her Dorothy was a scared and pathologically timid 33 year old teacher in Harlem.
The yellow brick road essentially became a shrink's path to self actualization.
it completely took out any whimsy or humor the project might have had.
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