#126
Posted: 3/30/15 at 2:18pm
Oh, I defintiely know this one is going to divide people. And I LOVE that.
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#128
Posted: 3/30/15 at 2:33pm
After Death is probably thinking of a new superlative...I mean a new diatribe, of course. It requires a little work to be so tin eared and blind to anything that isn't NO NO NANNETTE, you know.
I don't know if my little "review" came across as negative or mixed. Let me affirm that I thought the show was quite terrific. A real thinker, and something pretty startling. That's what the theater should be every now and then.
I don't know if my little "review" came across as negative or mixed. Let me affirm that I thought the show was quite terrific. A real thinker, and something pretty startling. That's what the theater should be every now and then.
#129
Posted: 3/30/15 at 2:41pm
But unfortunately, most audiences don't go to the theater to think or have an experience anymore.
And people have been saying that since the 50s, so I'm not certain it's any more true now than it was any other decade.
It's no stranger than something like FOLLIES or any of the Prince-Sondheim shows, and those ran, even if they didn't make money.
Besides Follies, which other strange Sondheim/Prince show do you mean? Follies (ran 1 year) and Sweeney (a little over 1 year) were both spectacles and had MUCH stronger scores. Merrily had a stronger score and closed in a couple of weeks. Pacific Overtures ran only 5 months. Night Music is nothing like The Visit and ran 1.5 years. Company was very much a modern innovation of its time and again, nothing like The Visit and ran almost 2 years. Forum is nothing like The Visit and ran over 2 years.
It does sound like the show has improved since I saw it at the Goodman, but I've never been convinced that this particular story would create much buzz or enthusiasm with the general public. Unless maybe it had Hugh Jackman or Neil Patrick Harris or some other established bankable star. I think a lot of classic stories and plays of black humor and/or surrealism are fantastic and could be musicalized and be worthy of praise, awards and accolades and never pique the interest of the general public in any era. I think a run of a year or more for this type of show would be out of the ordinary, just as they always were.
And incidentally, Prince directed The Visit as a play and it ran only 3 months.
And people have been saying that since the 50s, so I'm not certain it's any more true now than it was any other decade.
It's no stranger than something like FOLLIES or any of the Prince-Sondheim shows, and those ran, even if they didn't make money.
Besides Follies, which other strange Sondheim/Prince show do you mean? Follies (ran 1 year) and Sweeney (a little over 1 year) were both spectacles and had MUCH stronger scores. Merrily had a stronger score and closed in a couple of weeks. Pacific Overtures ran only 5 months. Night Music is nothing like The Visit and ran 1.5 years. Company was very much a modern innovation of its time and again, nothing like The Visit and ran almost 2 years. Forum is nothing like The Visit and ran over 2 years.
It does sound like the show has improved since I saw it at the Goodman, but I've never been convinced that this particular story would create much buzz or enthusiasm with the general public. Unless maybe it had Hugh Jackman or Neil Patrick Harris or some other established bankable star. I think a lot of classic stories and plays of black humor and/or surrealism are fantastic and could be musicalized and be worthy of praise, awards and accolades and never pique the interest of the general public in any era. I think a run of a year or more for this type of show would be out of the ordinary, just as they always were.
And incidentally, Prince directed The Visit as a play and it ran only 3 months.
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Updated On: 3/30/15 at 02:41 PM
#130
Posted: 3/30/15 at 2:43pm
JordanCatalano: "Oh, I definitely know this one is going to divide people. And I LOVE that."
I tend to gravitate toward shows that divide people, too. I like shows that make me think and emote and still entertain me. A lot of people don't like anything they can't get from one viewing. I'm just the opposite.
Don't get me wrong, I love a nice fluff piece, too. Again, though, it must entertain me and give me something of an emotional payoff, too.
Whenever I get into a discussion about that very thing, I always point to 1994, where I loved both Passion and Beauty and the Beast. It is possible to love things at both ends of the spectrum. And it is sad to hear when people write off shows because they flop or aren't critical favorites. Some of the greatest moments I've had in the theatre are when I've been to a flop (Grind, The Civil War), and some of the worst have been at critical/audience darlings (Les Miserables, for example.) Sometimes, the (perceived) flaws are the best part. Let's face it, there's no such thing as perfect.
The bottom line is that the only shows I end up hating are those that made me feel nothing at all, either way. (Baby, It's You and It Shoulda Been You are two perfect examples of that!)
But since this is a thread about The Visit: I was fortunate enough to see it at Signature, years back, and it was weird, but never dull, powerful in surprising ways, and it - from design to book, score and performances - made you do some of the work for yourself. A lot of people grumbled on the way out. I haven't had it far from my mind since that night... I can't wait for my return visit to The Visit this weekend.
I tend to gravitate toward shows that divide people, too. I like shows that make me think and emote and still entertain me. A lot of people don't like anything they can't get from one viewing. I'm just the opposite.
Don't get me wrong, I love a nice fluff piece, too. Again, though, it must entertain me and give me something of an emotional payoff, too.
Whenever I get into a discussion about that very thing, I always point to 1994, where I loved both Passion and Beauty and the Beast. It is possible to love things at both ends of the spectrum. And it is sad to hear when people write off shows because they flop or aren't critical favorites. Some of the greatest moments I've had in the theatre are when I've been to a flop (Grind, The Civil War), and some of the worst have been at critical/audience darlings (Les Miserables, for example.) Sometimes, the (perceived) flaws are the best part. Let's face it, there's no such thing as perfect.
The bottom line is that the only shows I end up hating are those that made me feel nothing at all, either way. (Baby, It's You and It Shoulda Been You are two perfect examples of that!)
But since this is a thread about The Visit: I was fortunate enough to see it at Signature, years back, and it was weird, but never dull, powerful in surprising ways, and it - from design to book, score and performances - made you do some of the work for yourself. A lot of people grumbled on the way out. I haven't had it far from my mind since that night... I can't wait for my return visit to The Visit this weekend.
#131
Posted: 3/30/15 at 4:42pm
"Also, a little surprised that After Eight hasn't commented on it, given that he usually sees early previews."
Why, ljay,I didn't think you cared! (You can now offer up the expected stupid, snarky remark.)
I believe I told you in a previous thread that I don't attend every first preview. I guess what I didn't tell you was that I don't comment on every show I see. I'm often tired when I return home from the theatre late at night. After all, I'm not in the springtime of my years like so many others on this board. And then, sometimes, I simply just don't feel like it.
But since you brought the matter up, yes I was at the first preview of The Visit. Probably the main reason I didn't post was because it was something of a letdown for me. I had very much liked the benefit performance at the Ambassador a few years ago. There it was lean, sharp, mordant, and chilling. Here, it seems to have flattened out. Perhaps it was the drab and overarching set that drew attention away from the action on stage. The presence of the ghosts à la Follies also proved both a distraction and an encumbrance. I agree with Ethel Mae about the lack of arc. The horror of the of the town's progressive abandonment of Anton did not register effectively here.
Whenever Chita was on stage, her presence and command riveted one's attention. When she was off, interest sagged.
I didn't care much for Roger Rees's performance, and even less for his singing.
I think the show would have been more effective with an intermission.
I did like Kander and Ebb's score. It towers over any other score this season. I look forward to the recording.
So there you are.
See what a good sport I am? Despite your recurrent disparaging and vulgar cracks about me, I served up these comments just for you.
Why, ljay,I didn't think you cared! (You can now offer up the expected stupid, snarky remark.)
I believe I told you in a previous thread that I don't attend every first preview. I guess what I didn't tell you was that I don't comment on every show I see. I'm often tired when I return home from the theatre late at night. After all, I'm not in the springtime of my years like so many others on this board. And then, sometimes, I simply just don't feel like it.
But since you brought the matter up, yes I was at the first preview of The Visit. Probably the main reason I didn't post was because it was something of a letdown for me. I had very much liked the benefit performance at the Ambassador a few years ago. There it was lean, sharp, mordant, and chilling. Here, it seems to have flattened out. Perhaps it was the drab and overarching set that drew attention away from the action on stage. The presence of the ghosts à la Follies also proved both a distraction and an encumbrance. I agree with Ethel Mae about the lack of arc. The horror of the of the town's progressive abandonment of Anton did not register effectively here.
Whenever Chita was on stage, her presence and command riveted one's attention. When she was off, interest sagged.
I didn't care much for Roger Rees's performance, and even less for his singing.
I think the show would have been more effective with an intermission.
I did like Kander and Ebb's score. It towers over any other score this season. I look forward to the recording.
So there you are.
See what a good sport I am? Despite your recurrent disparaging and vulgar cracks about me, I served up these comments just for you.
Updated On: 3/30/15 at 04:42 PM
#132
Posted: 3/30/15 at 4:50pm
@ Jordan Catalano thats funny, when it was over, my mother and I both said it was the longest 90 minutes we have ever spent. We had to check our watches to believe it. I was like, somebody please kill him, hell, ill do it- give me the gun! HAHA
Darreyl with an L!
#133
Posted: 3/30/15 at 5:02pm
Saw this at the Sunday matinee. I liked it and thought it was beautifully designed and directed. I think it benefits with NO intermission because I don't think it could hold interest such as it does being longer with a break. Chita was the Center of it all. I liked Roger Rees' acting - his singing was passable when he didn't have to hold notes or try to belt, and then it became a bit unbearable.
All in all, an interesting theater piece which will probably not find an audience. Glad I went and I do think it will pick up quite a few Tony nominations, since it's opening with the advantage of them being near. That may help, but probably not enough, unless by some miracle it cops the Best Musical Award, which I don't envision.
All in all, an interesting theater piece which will probably not find an audience. Glad I went and I do think it will pick up quite a few Tony nominations, since it's opening with the advantage of them being near. That may help, but probably not enough, unless by some miracle it cops the Best Musical Award, which I don't envision.
#134
Posted: 3/30/15 at 5:34pm
I saw it on Saturday night, and I'm glad I did. I can't say that it was satisfying, but it was certainly thought provoking. There are a few bars of music that keep on running through my head. That doesn't happen that often these days. I think it would have benefited from some visual variety -- as the set was gorgeous, but stagnant. I think this is more of a directoral issue. Overall, I'm pleased I went, thrilled to have seen Chita again in a leading role, and happy that I'm still thinking about the show a day or two after I've seen it.
#135
Posted: 3/30/15 at 8:01pm
Asked this earlier. Still wondering..
Is Doyle still using the applause break at the end of YELLOW SHOES? There wasn't one in Williamstown, and the number certainly calls for applause, but it felt a little awkward at the first preview.
Is Doyle still using the applause break at the end of YELLOW SHOES? There wasn't one in Williamstown, and the number certainly calls for applause, but it felt a little awkward at the first preview.
#136
Posted: 3/31/15 at 12:32am
Ljay:
I was at the matinee on Sunday. No applause after Yellow Shoes. I'm glad; it would have been a distraction for me.
I was at the matinee on Sunday. No applause after Yellow Shoes. I'm glad; it would have been a distraction for me.
#137
Posted: 3/31/15 at 12:33am
Good to know! It was a little strange to me. Does it still end with the cast repeatedly shouting YELLOW SHOES? The shouting is a new addition.
Updated On: 3/31/15 at 12:33 AM
#139
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:14am
Hmm. I wonder if that has changed. In Williamstown, it ended with them repeating "Yellow shoes" (not shouting) and Anton crying for help from Claire. The first preview, it ended with them loudly shouting "Yellow shoes" and no cry for help.
#140
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:16am
ljay889, Mike3...
Btw, where are you all seating, orchestra mezz balcony?
Any suggestions?
Btw, where are you all seating, orchestra mezz balcony?
Any suggestions?
"Anything you do, let it it come from you--then it will be new."
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#141
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:22am
Front row orchestra, amazing view.
Just found out the song still ends with the shouting, but Chita runs right into dialogue, no applause.
Just found out the song still ends with the shouting, but Chita runs right into dialogue, no applause.
Updated On: 3/31/15 at 01:22 AM
#142
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:23am
Someone please post a song list
"Anything you do, let it it come from you--then it will be new."
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#143
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:24am
From IBDB. 
Prelude
Out of the Darkness Townspeople
At Last Claire and Townspeople
I Walk Away Claire, Louis Perch, Jacob Chicken and Rudi
I Know Claire Anton
A Happy Ending Mayor, Priest, Doctor, Police Chief, School Master and Townspeople
You, You, You Claire, Anton, Young Claire and Young Anton
I Must Have Been Something Anton Schell
Look at Me Claire, Anton, Young Claire, Young Anton and All
A Masque Mayor and Townspeople
Eunuch's Testimony Jacob Chicken and Louis Perch
Winter Claire
Yellow Shoes Doctor and Townspeople
A Confession Claire and All
I Would Never Leave You Rudi, Louis Perch, Jacob Chicken and Claire
Back and Forth Matilde, Ottilie and Karl
The Only One Frederich Kuhn
Fear Anton
A Car Ride Anton, Matilde, Karl, Ottilie, Young Anton and Young Claire
Love and Love Alone Claire
In the Forest Again Anton, Claire, Young Anton and Young Claire
Finale Townspeople
Prelude
Out of the Darkness Townspeople
At Last Claire and Townspeople
I Walk Away Claire, Louis Perch, Jacob Chicken and Rudi
I Know Claire Anton
A Happy Ending Mayor, Priest, Doctor, Police Chief, School Master and Townspeople
You, You, You Claire, Anton, Young Claire and Young Anton
I Must Have Been Something Anton Schell
Look at Me Claire, Anton, Young Claire, Young Anton and All
A Masque Mayor and Townspeople
Eunuch's Testimony Jacob Chicken and Louis Perch
Winter Claire
Yellow Shoes Doctor and Townspeople
A Confession Claire and All
I Would Never Leave You Rudi, Louis Perch, Jacob Chicken and Claire
Back and Forth Matilde, Ottilie and Karl
The Only One Frederich Kuhn
Fear Anton
A Car Ride Anton, Matilde, Karl, Ottilie, Young Anton and Young Claire
Love and Love Alone Claire
In the Forest Again Anton, Claire, Young Anton and Young Claire
Finale Townspeople
#145
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:42am
What's the rush situation? I can't seem to find it.
#146
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:46am
Student Rush: $30.00 - Available at the Box Office on the day of the performance, as soon as the Box Office opens - Limit 1 ticket per valid student ID - Subject to availability.
#147
Posted: 3/31/15 at 1:47am
After Eight, would you say that the show itself wasn't very good, or just that it was a letdown from the concert production that you saw (I think that was in 2012). In other words, would you have liked it if this were the first time you saw it? Though apparently it is sacrilege on this board to agree with you, I tend to on a lot of shows and would like to know. Either way, I will be seeing it when I come to New York because I love Kander and Ebb and Chita Rivera, provided it does not close in previews.
#148
Posted: 3/31/15 at 7:12am
Fantod,
I thought it was good --- certainly good enough --- but it didn't play as well as at the benefit.
Chita's presence by itself made the evening worthwhile. Upon reflection, I think one of the problems here is she's not on stage enough! Anton, the townspeople, his family are not presented as compellingly as they need to be.
If I hadn't seen the benefit, I no doubt would have had been less disappointed.
Which underscores what one poster observed in the Finding Neverland thread. He had loved the show in Cambridge, and was harshly critical of the changes he saw in New York. But he noted that if he hadn't seen what it once had been, he would probably have liked the New York version more.
I've felt that way myself after having seen shows out of town, and then later on Broadway.
I think The Visit is definitely worth seeing. In fact, I would call it the best new musical of the season, and that includes that overhyped history lesson, and, of course, the little stinker that could --- and will.
I thought it was good --- certainly good enough --- but it didn't play as well as at the benefit.
Chita's presence by itself made the evening worthwhile. Upon reflection, I think one of the problems here is she's not on stage enough! Anton, the townspeople, his family are not presented as compellingly as they need to be.
If I hadn't seen the benefit, I no doubt would have had been less disappointed.
Which underscores what one poster observed in the Finding Neverland thread. He had loved the show in Cambridge, and was harshly critical of the changes he saw in New York. But he noted that if he hadn't seen what it once had been, he would probably have liked the New York version more.
I've felt that way myself after having seen shows out of town, and then later on Broadway.
I think The Visit is definitely worth seeing. In fact, I would call it the best new musical of the season, and that includes that overhyped history lesson, and, of course, the little stinker that could --- and will.
#149
Posted: 3/31/15 at 8:12am
I was in the front row of the mezz, center section, on the aisle. Fabulous seats. Theater is small, though, and I would think anything but the extreme sides would be more than fine.
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#150
Posted: 3/31/15 at 8:16am
After Eight, you make a great point here:
"I've felt that way myself after having seen shows out of town, and then later on Broadway."
Many times I've thought that - Smile, Grind, Teddy & Alice and Victor/Victoria were all far better out of town. Far better. I hope that I'll still love The Visit as much as I did at Signature. I'll try to be optimistic.
A8, when you write with sincerity, I find your thoughts insightful and though-provoking - even if I disagree. But...
Then you muck it up when you just can't resist a bitchy barb or snarky comment. To wit: "that includes that overhyped history lesson, and, of course, the little stinker that could --- and will." You had me until the last half of the last sentence.
"I've felt that way myself after having seen shows out of town, and then later on Broadway."
Many times I've thought that - Smile, Grind, Teddy & Alice and Victor/Victoria were all far better out of town. Far better. I hope that I'll still love The Visit as much as I did at Signature. I'll try to be optimistic.
A8, when you write with sincerity, I find your thoughts insightful and though-provoking - even if I disagree. But...
Then you muck it up when you just can't resist a bitchy barb or snarky comment. To wit: "that includes that overhyped history lesson, and, of course, the little stinker that could --- and will." You had me until the last half of the last sentence.
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