The great irony: homophobic conservatives who love RENT- Page 4

[Calvin]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 1:09pm

Why, thank you, Katy! I'll keep an eye open for your straight, geeky, theater-loving boy when I visit Chicago next month.

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 1:12pm

I can't seem to find one adorable theater-loving gay boy in NYC either.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 1:14pm

Sounds good to me ... I know a nice boy in LA who loves theater and is looking for that special someone . . . he used to want a nice Jewish boy as well . . .

Calvin, JRB, thanks for making the morning interesting.

[katygrace84]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 1:16pm

Maybe you and JRB should go have coffee or something. At the very least you could be united in your efforts to find other theater-loving gay men. Hey, living in a big city has taught me that you take friends where you can get them. Lord knows you run across plenty of people who would just as soon smack you as look at you.

[Calvin]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 1:31pm

At least you're all not in New Jersey. All the theater-loving gay boys here hide. Or move to New York.

[katygrace84]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 1:37pm

I'm seriously wishing we were all in the same city right now. Even though it's Chicago, it's still a bit tricky to find so many kind, intelligent people who love the same things I do and feel the same way I do about some of these issues.

And I envy those of you in NYC right now with all this Rent promotional stuff going on tomorrow. No one wants to throw a bone to those of us out here in the NYC of the Midwest. And no one seems to want to help me program my VCR to tape the Today Show performance tomorrow.

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 1:48pm

Aww, Katy, I can tape it for you. Next time you come to NYC we can meet up and I'll give it to you.

[katygrace84]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:16pm

AW! Thanks, Foster! Unfortunately I am a writer who is broke broke broke and won't be traveling any time soon. I tihnk I'll just fiddle with my VCR tongiht and try to tape something else on that channel as practice.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:22pm

Katy, make you a deal. If I can get a copy, I will PM you . . .

There has got to be some stuff posted since it is a public show in Bryant Park and on NBC earlier.

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:30pm

Well jrb_actor you can't start a thread like this and not expect it to get away from you, you should really heed your own advice.

"And you opened it up for discussion on a board populated by ALL types of people. " jrb_actor

[Michael Bennett]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:31pm

SueLeen -- can we please get a prayer for the people in this thread?

[katygrace84]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:32pm

"Gee, I know someone would be my hero if that someone were..." to find me tapes of tomorrow's performances. But nothing illegal, mind you. I'll try to tape it but it would be nice to have a backup in case it doesn't work or the tape quality turns out crappy.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:34pm

Nope, only stuff in the public domain. Also, I am sure NBC will be posting it on their site after the fact.

[katygrace84]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:36pm

I think they will, too. But it's Rent. I don't want to take any chances. And if I can relive that morning of brilliant music over and over and over again, I will be so very happy. GAH! I'm such a blubbering goof over this show!

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 2:50pm

chita33--do you really think you made a point? Because I have no clue what you are getting at.

[DAME]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:01pm

JRB;
Woof. That weight watchers thread is working. Love your new avatar.

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:07pm

woof! is right!

[BroadwayBaby6]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:12pm

I'm a liberal homo who HATES rent...

[katygrace84]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:14pm

May I ask why you hate Rent?

[Rentaholic2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:22pm

Derech2, RentLondon, meagan9848, KelRel, etc:

I'm pleasantly surprised to see so many who feel the same way I do...I completely understand how you love Rent as conservatives or Republicans or whatever.

Good point (by someone) about Chicago, I had that same thought...I don't support murder and violence and yet I love this musical, as do many.

And just to keep this conversation fair:

I've read the word 'biggot' so many times in such a harsh way, and I just wanted to kindly remind everyone to beware of stereotyping...it seems to me that most of the conservatives on this board don't really fall into that category of hateful, hypocritical, homophobic, biggots that you are referring to (I know there are plenty of those out there, though).

I just don't want this to split the board down the middle in a miniature World War III type argument...there is too much love between us all for that!

Jrb_Actor asked a fair, honest question, and as Conservative Rent fans, we are giving our fair honest answers. And I know that the homosexual community doesn't need our Support, but please realize that when posters have said something about not supporting homosexuality, they are just identifying themselves as people who Jrb_Actor was referring to in his initial post...I don't think anyone intended it as offensive or snide (though I can't speak for everyone, of course.)

And I apologize for my horrid spelling :)

[CurtainUp]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:27pm

This is a fascinating thread, but there's been a little something that's been bothering me. A bit of a threadjack, I suppose? Chicago does not celebrate murder - it is a SATIRE. It shows how the people with the best hearts (Amos) do NOT always win at life nad the life is not always happily ever after. It's an incredibly realistic musical showing how much of a dog-eat-dog world we live in and the sleaziest people often reach the top of the latter.

Rent is not a satire - it is a celebration of many ways of life, love and simply living. I really do not think the two can be compared in that sense.

Updated On: 8/3/05 at 03:27 PM

[Rentaholic2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:30pm

Good point, Curtain Up...

I think the point behind that statement could go with, say a serious movie...like The Godfather, maybe...I don't know, point behind that it contains and often glorifies much violence, and even if you don't agree with that view, you still enjoy it.

Does that make sense?

[Elphaba]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:38pm

rentaholic, I disagree.........when you basically tell me to my face that you do not support/accept/whatever who I am, you are indeed being offensive and snide.

you would never do that to an african-american, a Jew, a Muslim, a woman, an asian-american, etc

but for some insane reason some people feel it is ok to berate gays....IT IS NOT......and it is no different then any of the examples above.......

it has got to stop.

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:41pm

BroadwayBaby6, I don't mean to speak for you, but I know plenty of gay people who hate RENT too, and the reason why is because Angel dies and Mimi comes back to life. It's just so typical that the gay character is sacrificed and all the straighties live happily ever after. Collins looks on as Mimi and Roger get to spend the rest of what's left of their lives together and it's like, why the &$#* did Angel have to die? I hope I'm communicating this well. But SO MANY of my friends have told me about how this bothers them about RENT. Angel, Collins, Roger, and Mimi all have AIDS. Collins is the "normal" mainstream gay guy. Mimi and Roger are straight. Angel is the drag queen, so the audience is sad yet satisfied that Angel becomes the sacrificial lamb. Lots of people see RENT as a step backward because of that, since gays have been portrayed for years as these people who everyone loves and adores (like Angel) and then that person dies and everyone holds together and is better for it.

[Pinguin]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 3:57pm

Huh, Foster: I've actually never heard anyone express that point of view. Very interesting.

I love how I leave a bww for 12 hours and suddenly this thread has EXPLODED :0)

I'm wondering if the kind of people jrb is talking about really exist; major rentheads who are homophobes, 'cause I don't think I've met anyone with EXTREME love for Rent but EXTREME hate for homosexuals. That would indeed be very odd. That's very different from thinking Rent is groovy.

But I would still argue there are many ways to love art without having to agree with it. What about literature? I know many people who LOVE LOVE LOVE Ayn Rand books but are certainly still quite liberal.