The great irony: homophobic conservatives who love RENT- Page 6

[Rentaholic2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 6:38pm

""And pipe down? Excuse me? My entire post was related to the topic for which this thread was started. I made one relatively tasteful statement regarding my stance on homosexuality (which the thread starter DID bring up). But then, of course, everyone jumps down my throat for being intolerant of their opinions, while they cannot seem to be tolerant of mine.""

Interesting.

And thank you, Katygrace84.

I'm sorry, Elphaba, but I have to say in Derech2's deffense, he (she) has yet to be blatantly rude or resort to namecalling...he has fairly addressed the topic at hand honestly. Where as you have repeatedly called him a bigot and a hater...who's hating who? I'm not trying to throw fuel in the fire, but I just think we should all attempt to be as mature and fair as possible.

[gymman]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 7:05pm

JRB--The more I read you, the more I respect you. I do not understand the notion of "support" in the context that it has been used. What am I missing here?

[Pinguin]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 7:15pm

Yeah, I don't know what it means either. I mean, you would think that Derech wouldn't watch Rent; that is certainly supporting homosexuals. I mean, that applies to most musical theatre :0)

You can say (though it would be sad if you did) "I think homosexuality is wrong" or "I don't like giving homosexuals rights" but saying you don't support homosexuals is extremely vague.

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[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 8:39pm

I am apolitical & i did not like RENt

No need to find some dark hidden meaning in all of this. My wife & I did not care for the music but than again I like Wildhorn so what can I say

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 8:56pm

isn't it obvious what berech is trying to say, he/she/it doesn't believe that faggotry is a natural occurence. He beleives people choose to be gay and thus it is not the same thing as race or gender becuase those are things you can't choose (gender to a lesser exent because we do now have gender reassignment, but you get the idea). That is where he falls into a pit of ignorance.

well you know what berech, I didn't choose, and no one i know did. did you CHOOSE to be straight (assuming you are, unless you are one of those pathetic self hating queers). Did you one day make a conscious descision to like someone of the opposite sex?

[joniray]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 10:05pm

Actually Derech, I'm sure you support lots of homosexuals...anytime you buy a ticket to Rent or any other musical for that matter, a good amount of that money is going right into the pockets of more than a few homos.

How sweet of you!

And I still can't believe you made an example comparing opinions on a war where thousands of people have been killed to opinions on something that effects no one but the two people in a relationship.

[Derech2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:06pm

Man, I hate it when you leave for a few hours and all the posts multiply times a billion. XD

So we can clear things up -- I apologize (a second time) for my war example. I should have chosen a better one.

ZONEFACE, actually my name is Derech. Nice try though. And thank you for calling me igorant!

joniray, out of curiosity, does homosexuality = homosexuals in your opinion?

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:09pm

does black = black people?

does Jewish = Jewish people?

yes, it's only a part of them, but when you are prejuduced against someone for their suspect class, you are being a bigot.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:12pm

Derech, if you could just explain how "not supporting homosexuality" isn't the same as being against homosexuals?

[Derech2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:12pm

Actually, I was asking joniray, as she was the one who understood the context of my question, but it was nice to hear your opinion too.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:15pm

Ok, well now you are being childish and beligerent, and there is really nothing that can be said to that.

At least now I get who it is I'm dealing with here--another young, foolish, ignorant homophobe who will wake up one day if they are lucky.

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[Derech2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:23pm

chita33, I sent you a PM.

jrb_actor, actually you have no idea with whom you are dealing. It would be ridiculous to assume such. When I addressed my question to chita33, it was regarding specific statements she made of which I did not understand correctly. That is childish and belligerent? No.

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[ZONEACE]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:26pm

you can't answer chita's question in the thread?

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:27pm

Well, you are correct. I do not know you--and I can't possibly fathom what you believe.

I take back my last post's comments as I thought they were directed at me.

[Derech2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:30pm

ZONEFACE, I can, but I will not.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:32pm

Well that is rather cowardly of you.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:32pm

that's very telling

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:33pm

But it sorta says that you know your beliefs are not cool to share in public--and boy ain't that progress.

[Derech2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:36pm

Not really, jrb_actor. There would not be much point beyond stating my beliefs (obviously quite dangerous), as I am certain you would not change my opinion any more than I would change yours.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:38pm

But at least you KNOW that your opinion is not fit for public. Not any more fit for public as the opinion of a racist or an anti-Semitic.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:38pm

oh please, you know we would rip apart your reasoning and make everyone see (except obviously you because you are beyond help) jus how much of an ignorant, biggoted, fool you really are.

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[Elphaba]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:50pm

I think we've hit the nail on the head....derech is a coward......there is no reasoning with people like this. they do this just to stir the pot. Must be a very sad existance......keep apologizing for the example derech........you are only making yourself look more ridiculous.

[Derech2]

Posted: 8/3/05 at 11:58pm

jrb_actor, I'm sorry, my opinion not fit for public? I do not agree with homosexuality. I believe it is a sin. If my opinion is not fit for public, I fail to see why I have been participating in this discussion. If I was concerned about keeping my opinion away from the public eye, I would not write this: I believe homosexuality is wrong. How many different ways do you care that I express it?

I have been called: cowardly, a bigot, and a fool (and other less offensive terms). Let's just resort to name calling, why don't we, but I can assure that will not progress your argument. We call it ad hominem. Any Latin scholars out there?

But since you all seem to so curious, my PM to chita33 was a matter of clarification at the risk of misunderstanding each other. It seems you're eager to have me repeatedly state my opinion so you can a) feel offended b) resort to name calling or c) in some way further demean me. Forgive me if this is a misconception.

[Derech2]

Posted: 8/4/05 at 12:00am

And Elphaba! Welcome to our ad hominem fest!

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/4/05 at 12:01am

Hey--a spade is a spade. It's not name calling. It's what you are. Sorry. That's the breaks. I didn't make up the rules.